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Incursions: Currently borked

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DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-07 11:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkAegix
Let's face it, incursions are very slightly broken, and I hope that in CCP's epic FiS iteration they can tweak incursions.

Vanguards are farmed endlessly, and there's no fear. Incursions should make any capsuleer skittish.
Now, I don't propose nerfs, as that will sway people away from excellent PVE content. Instead:
-Increase vanguard difficulty ever so slightly
-Increase rewards of all other sites
-Introduce sites which are squewed to be easy for armour gangs. There are too many shield fleets, right now
-Autopiloting through an incursion should be terribly, terribly dangerous. Almost as dangerous as APing through low-sec
-Every incursion gate should be camped by sansha, near constantly. Yes, even high-sec. Enough to damage, but not destroy, anyone manually piloting through

The difficulty/reward rebalancing of sites will leave more incursion sites utilised, and thus more pilots participating, with less spamming their fits in chat.
Making incursions dangerous to non-combatants increases their impact on new Eden. Incursions will no longer be seen as ISK & LP farms.

So, everybody wins? More delicious prizes, more participation, varied fleets being formed in chat and greater player respect.

I hope that during the next expansion many, many of EVE's minor quibbles can be iterated on.
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
#2 - 2011-10-07 12:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: non judgement
Didn't some people complain about getting killed on highsec gates in incursion systems when they first came out?
Iirc they were only in industrial ships or something.

Also isn't it hard for some to get into fleets because they have a lame fit and no one tells them to change it (or they just don't want to change it) so they keep spamming trying to get into a fleet? and the people in the fleets only want certain types of fits.

Otherwise everything else sounds good.
HaxTis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-07 14:50:08 UTC
moar tears pls what did you lose a mach and are butthurt
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-10-07 14:53:23 UTC
HaxTis wrote:
moar tears pls what did you lose a mach and are butthurt

tears because stuff is too easy?


that's a... misleading accusation... sorta?

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EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-07 15:06:25 UTC
CCP should put Incursion gate rats on the gates in highsec.

There's your fear.


(Hint: They'll never do this because people would get mad DON'T TOUCH MY HIGHSEC CCP WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS I'M GOING TO WRITE A HUGE BLOG POST ABOUT IT AND I QUIT [but I'll leave my accounts subbed because they will stop training if I don't pay for them] ALSO IT'S MEAN AND YOU'RE MEAN AND AND AND AND)
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-07 15:06:42 UTC
What I'm trying to say is: ****. Highsec.
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-10-07 15:11:15 UTC
Should make incursions available in null sec only. That way, there could be more free entertainment for null sec lurkers.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-07 18:16:23 UTC
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Should make incursions available in null sec only. That way, there could be more free entertainment for null sec lurkers for the bots to farm.



fix'd.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#9 - 2011-10-07 18:20:03 UTC
Incursions need a investigation on the xxx/reward ratios.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-07 18:30:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Abrazzar wrote:
Incursions need a investigation on the xxx/reward ratios.


Pr0n/reward ?

edit:
oh, obviously p r *cough*0 n is getting censored. ^^
Jita Alt666
#11 - 2011-10-07 18:35:22 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Should make incursions available in null sec only. That way, there could be more free entertainment for null sec lurkers for the bots to farm.



fix'd.



If the bot writers are able to adapt to the nature of incursions, then ccp should be hiring them.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-10-07 18:46:29 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
What I'm trying to say is: ****. Highsec.


hello bad player at eve, just because you cant get easy kills or loot in lowsec/nullsec doesnt mean highsec should become the same shithole as lowsec.



incursion rats on highsec gates are stupid BECAUSE, no one wants to put a ship on autopilot and make sure it doesnt run through an incursion system... i mean if i wanna go from amarr to dodixie fine, i risk a suicide gank, but i dont wanna view each constellation to make sure no incursion...

buff rewards on the higher sites, esspecially the motherships, incursions right now are FARMED, which isnt really intended.. people should want to kill the mothership for fat loots, currently all the good loot drops in lowsec only... which makes sense to a point but meh.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-07 21:20:47 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:
EnderCapitalG wrote:
What I'm trying to say is: ****. Highsec.


hello bad player at eve, just because you cant get easy kills or loot in lowsec/nullsec doesnt mean highsec should become the same shithole as lowsec.



incursion rats on highsec gates are stupid BECAUSE, no one wants to put a ship on autopilot and make sure it doesnt run through an incursion system... i mean if i wanna go from amarr to dodixie fine, i risk a suicide gank, but i dont wanna view each constellation to make sure no incursion...

buff rewards on the higher sites, esspecially the motherships, incursions right now are FARMED, which isnt really intended.. people should want to kill the mothership for fat loots, currently all the good loot drops in lowsec only... which makes sense to a point but meh.



Erm, nobody outside of highsec uses the autopilot feature.

If you use it, you literally deserve to lose your ship.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#14 - 2011-10-07 22:17:14 UTC
i keep saying that high sec incursions need the incursion rat gate camps to kill the AFK autopiloting freighters running through the are and the idiots who go AFK on the gate.

this also makes incursions more fun and entertaining, also great for good lewt
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#15 - 2011-10-07 22:21:18 UTC
HaxTis wrote:
moar tears pls what did you lose a mach and are butthurt


Yes because asking to make Vanguards harder means he wants it easier so he doesn't lose a Mach.... That makes sense

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Pod Liberator
Acetech Systems
#16 - 2011-10-07 22:25:37 UTC
HaxTis wrote:
moar tears pls what did you get too much isk and are butthurt

Fixed

This actually makes more sense then the unaltered statement

Esperio Ferver
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-10-07 22:31:19 UTC
the only thing that needs to change is making vanguards have less of an effect on constellation control. That way fleets running Assaults and HQs would be more difficult, and more necessary, as you cant farm VGs at high constellation control (well you can, its just harder. which is probably a good thing.)

nobody these days would ever dare to run an NCN at 100%, imagine if you had to for it to be possible to reduce control.

Maybe have it so that:
VGs can reduce control up to 5%. 100s of sites run to achieve this.
Assaults car reduce 40% 100 sites to do this.
HQ sites must be run to chip into their 55% of the control.

control should be hard to reduce and fleets should feel accomplished in doing their part to reduce it.