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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Lenier Chenal
Offensive Upholder
#121 - 2012-06-26 02:22:09 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.

You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.

But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?

CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!

CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.

Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.


Jesus **** you're an idiot. I agree with you completely, but you're an idiot for buying a shirt for 13 plex.
Steam Cat
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-06-26 02:23:03 UTC
In the end though you approve of CCP's handling of it because guess what, you're still paying for the game. If you disapprove there are plenty of alternatives out there.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#123 - 2012-06-26 02:24:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Disdaine wrote:
Now you're being facetious.
No, just applying the logic being used. I could admit to it being a bit of a reductio ad absurdum, though.

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It's funny though watching you operate. Anything that doesn't bother you and you're quite the contrarian. UI changes and it's time to make a video complete with emasculated voice.
Not quite. If it doesn't bother me, I consider the argument, and if it's crap, I poke (even larger) holes in it. If it's a good one, I will consider agreeing with it instead. If something visual changes and it becomes apparent that it will not let itself be explained without visual demonstration, then video is a good choice.

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I would've thought you'd be too busy complaining about more items available for aurum that are destroying player run industry and killing the game to be posting here.
I wrote half a thesis on that a year ago. Nothing has changed since so there's no reason to write any more about it. At least they finally got the pricing right, so if nothing else they're faceplanting in the right direction.
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#124 - 2012-06-26 02:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ThisIsntMyMain
Lenier Chenal wrote:


Jesus **** you're an idiot. I agree with you completely, but you're an idiot for buying a shirt for 13 plex.


He didn't. He bought 13 plex and got a free shirt.

Now he's whining about it.

But the way he's whining you'd think he did actually pay 13 plex.
Rikula
Opur
#125 - 2012-06-26 02:41:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Rikula wrote:
And the fact that "special edition" is a poor choice of name for something that is clearly no longer special in any reasonable sense of the word.
Again, I have the special edition of Aliens right here in my book shelf, much like pretty much everyone I know. Come to think of it, what is the item actually called…?


Why was your "special edition of Aliens" called a special edition? Is that reason the same reason the Ishukone shirt was called "special edition"? What would a potential customer of the 13xplex deal think the "special edition" might reasonably mean? Was the wording of the offer targetting collectors?

And even *if* this wasn't at all deceptive, I don't see why you are siding against the OP. EVE is, in my opinion, a better place for the having of limited and rare items.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#126 - 2012-06-26 02:43:20 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
people are arguing about dumb crap they buy to play dress-up with their ~eve toonies~

lol

i have chronicled this space-shaking incident

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Antiquarian_%28Character%29#Eifyr_.26_Co._Assessment
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#127 - 2012-06-26 02:48:02 UTC
Rikula wrote:
Why was your "special edition of Aliens" called a special edition?
Yes. This separates it from the theatrical release and the DC (both in the cut and in the extras).

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Is that reason the same reason the Ishukone shirt was called "special edition"?
Yup: it wasn't the same colour as the normal shirt.

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What would a potential customer of the 13xplex deal think the "special edition" might reasonably mean?
That it was different from the normal shirt.

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Was the wording of the offer targetting collectors?
Can't tell, since no-one has been able to produce the original offer.

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And even *if* this wasn't at all deceptive, I don't see why you are siding against the OP.
I'm siding against the OP because he's being silly by complaining about the availability of something he got for free.
Rikula
Opur
#128 - 2012-06-26 02:55:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rikula wrote:
Why was your "special edition of Aliens" called a special edition?
Yes. This separates it from the theatrical release and the DC (both in the cut and in the extras).


Please reread my post. To a "why" question, the answer is almost never 'Yes' or 'No'.

And for the record, ALL the clothes items of the same sort differ from each other only in colour. So again, this does NOT make the Ishukone "special". It makes it the same as everything else.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#129 - 2012-06-26 03:10:02 UTC
Rikula wrote:
Please reread my post.
Whatever. The answer remains the same.

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And for the record, ALL the clothes items of the same sort differ from each other only in colour. So again, this does NOT make the Ishukone "special". It makes it the same as everything else.
No, it makes it special in the same way as every other special edition: by not being like the normal model(s).

Anyway, the questions remain: what's the actual item called, and what was actually said in the original offer?
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#130 - 2012-06-26 03:28:47 UTC
The OP is Special.... Very Special.
It takes an Exotic, very rare variety of person to do this...

Did you save your receipt? If so, I suggest scan it, put it in a picture frame with your portrait, and post it for everyone.
Step into the spotlight, you have earned it. Glory in your accomplishment!
You my friend will live in EvE History as the "13 Plex Shirt Guy", right next to the 72 Plex Kestrel Pilot.

You deserve every moment.

Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"

Rikula
Opur
#131 - 2012-06-26 03:34:11 UTC
Ok, I think at this point my point has been clearly made, but for some reason you still want to disagree with me. I don't know why, but if you're just going to say "the answer remains the same", I suspect you want to leave it at that. And so I will say: you have failed to give even a plausible way in which it is a "special edition" as opposed to "just like every other item". According to your reasoning, I'd need to think that ALL the new NEX items are "special editions", since they all differ in colour from the "normal" (and I'd be interested to know which item you consider to be the "normal" one). Perhaps they are special in just the same way that our mum always tells us we are "special". That is, "special" like everyone else.

I agree with you in one regard though - the wording of the original offer would be important. My attempts to google and find it have failed.
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#132 - 2012-06-26 03:52:54 UTC
Protip: CCP hates work. Hates it. Absolutely avoids it at all costs.

They aren't going to keep something unique if they can release it X months later rather than lifting a finger.
Space Mitt Romney
Nocturnal Syndicate
#133 - 2012-06-26 03:55:37 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
I try to keep myself calm, but this is just way too outrageous that I had to vent here again and again.

You, CCP, made it sound as if ISHUKONE SPECIAL EDITION Shirt was only available contingent upon the purchase of 13 X PLEXs several months ago. I didn't have to, but I took the damn bait, with the expectation that CCP and its honest marketing department will maintain the "uniqueness" and rarity of these special items.

But you decide to reward those who took that "extra leap of faith" by treating us like ***** and dingleberries and having these same items available for 50 cents each several months later. Where is fairness in this?

CCP, You should have MADE IT ADAMANTLY CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT AFTER 6 MONTHS, THESE SPECIAL ITEMS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR 50 CENTS EACH!

CCP should make appropriate reparation by rewarding the previous faithful ISHUKONE SPECIAL SHIRT owners with other equivalent UNIQUE items.

Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.



I'd think you were crazy if you spent 200$ on a REAL shirt..........
Joe Everyguy
ArrowStar Forces
#134 - 2012-06-26 04:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Everyguy
The Antiquarian wrote:


Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.


Really? Sweet, going to go get me one right now.

Oh, and OP got hosed. Hard.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#135 - 2012-06-26 04:17:16 UTC
Joe Everyguy wrote:
The Antiquarian wrote:


Prior to this debacle, the shirt had a market value of approximately 1.2-1.3B. Now, it costs 11 million to purchase.


Really? Sweet, going to go get me one right now.

Oh, and OP got hosed. Hard.


I think F'd in the A is far more a fitting way to say it.

Did Hilmar kiss you on the back of the neck at least?

John Hancock

Gul'gotha Derv'ash
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2012-06-26 11:44:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
That is a rather big boot to the nuts imo. CCP stated they were releasing items at a much cheaper price than usual, but wouldn't touch the other item prices to keep the market prices stable on them. I can see this being where they kind of screwed the market for the shirt. Though I would never pay 1b for a shirt...
…not to mention that the price for the shirt was zero before that, so if anything, it was actually made more expensive when it was released to the general public. Blink


Ah I was taking the poster at his word that it was worth 1b or so.
Janty Hilanen
No0 Nooboships Corpor
#137 - 2012-06-26 12:07:20 UTC
I think its a silly move by CCP. Certainly others will think twice in regards to purchasing items at the higher end of the spectrum.

If you purchase a product like mentioned Mercedez, if they depreciate the car themselves by a factor of 100,000 by reducing the price then naturally consumers are going to be angry. Tangible or virtual, the same could be said about software which is purchased on your PC.

If a games company sold all their games at £40 and then after 3-6 months reduced the price to 4p, customers will think why should I purchase at the higher price initially, i'll wait till the price is reduced. So by decreasing the price they decrease future initial demand for products.
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#138 - 2012-06-26 12:30:38 UTC
I support the Antiquarian in this case.
And he is literally THE antiquarian in EVE.

CCP you messed up.
Reech Yvormes
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2012-06-26 12:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Reech Yvormes
im starting to see this sort of thing in a lot of games.

i have to wonder if we are not giving enough to support PC game devs. they actually have to do this stuff, i think, especially in todays economy. I do know that there is more money in console gaming, so i think people should not be so harsh to the op, because, without that sort of investment from PC gamers, i think the money would have to come from the general playerbase or elsewhere. rather than laugh at those who wish for cosmetic differences for a bit of real money investment. you should really support him in this because they (game developers) should hold their end of the bargain on exclusive "money injection" payments like that. its not like its pay to win (the shirt, not the plex), so thats why exclusive vanity items should be kept exclusive. their value is in their vanity.

as a gaming consumer myself, i have made a few mistakes, mostly pre order mistakes, for that snazzy pre order item. i wish i could take it back and have saved the money or that things were more of an official stance than vague small print that you never know if they will devalue your item too soon.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#140 - 2012-06-26 12:44:27 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
I support the Antiquarian in this case.
And he is literally THE antiquarian in EVE.

CCP you messed up.


Hardly a surprise really. It's pretty much par for the course though now with most things on the internet, they try and rake in as much cash as possible for items that are supposed to be limited in availability then throw them out for much less, even for free, at a later date.

I would never touch an offer like this with a 10 foot barge pole, they just stink to high heaven and should be avoided at all costs. Especially for something like a virtual shirt.

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.