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Empidonax
First Hydrostatic Core
#1 - 2012-06-26 00:33:45 UTC
So, I understand the basics of probing. Most sites I don't seem to have too much trouble finding.

Every once in a while there is a site that I just can't scan down. This last one I can find over and over and over again at 16 AU, but it disappears every time at 8 AU. I have tried several configurations of probes and numbers of probes and still no luck. My problem is that I don't know what I'm doing wrong. The probes are too far apart? Too close together? Not enough? Too many? Why can I find some, but others just won't let me zoom in?

I need help! Are some sites just bugged and unscannable?

I'm still working on skills, but still...

Astrometrics 5
Pinpointing 4
Rangefinding 3

sisters probes and launcher, 40% scan strength from the ship.

This is not enough?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2012-06-26 00:58:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I have Astrometrics 2 + Astrometric Rangefinding 2. I've not been unable to probe anything down, but it can take a while.

The ideal probe configuration is a 4 probe tetrahedron (one above, three below, like a pyramid but with 3 sides and 60 degree angles) with the signature at the center. After that you can add more probes. I don't do general probing in this configuration, as I find it slow to move around. I only switch to this when having problems with a site.

If a site disappears, make sure you have the filter for it enabled.

Other than that, it means you dropped your scan radius too much.

You may find that keeping one probe centered on the point and NOT reducing its range helps, or at least makes it easier to find again.

Edit: I also have a probing alt with 5 / 4 / 4 skills and a max skill Tengu with probing, covert, and nullifier subsystems, and SoE equipment. Takes a lot less effort, but the mechanics are the same.
Postitute
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-26 02:21:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Postitute
You have a filter set that is screening out a particular type of site. The reason you are experiencing the loss of signal is due to fact that around 8au with good skills like yours, the signal will be strong enough to identify what type it is - grav, ladar, radar, etc.. Upon identifying the site type, the filter will remove it if it's in the list.
Empidonax
First Hydrostatic Core
#4 - 2012-06-26 02:46:55 UTC
Postitute wrote:
You have a filter set that is screening out a particular type of site. The reason you are experiencing the loss of signal is due to fact that around 8au with good skills like yours, the signal will be strong enough to identify what type it is - grav, ladar, radar, etc.. Upon identifying the site type, the filter will remove it if it's in the list.


oh, for the love of...

Yeah, I'm sure that's got to be it, I was having trouble getting it above 25%, which is where it would identify. Dang, thanks man!
Droxlyn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-26 02:55:08 UTC
For four probes, use a d4 shaped figure for your probes, keep your dot in the middle, keep them close enough that all four see the inside of the pyramid.
With 5 probes, make a square and add a point for a four sided pyramid.
With six probes, put the new one below the four so you get a cube on its point.
With seven, I just leave it in the middle.
I've never toyed with 8.

It is always easier to drag the probes around with the arrows.
I find it easier to resize them all by selecting all of the probes in the list and right clicking a new scan range. I hate grabbing the bubbles. (I wish I could disable resizing by bubble drag, I am usually trying to grab an arrow.)

Drox
Lady Darkmoon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-06-26 04:59:19 UTC
Most useful key in probing is the Alt key. Just saying.
zoni Ishikela
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-27 22:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: zoni Ishikela
Some sites won't scan down if your skills aren't high enough.

I have worked to get mine to 5 and even then, had a few problems finding very weak signals with just 4 probes - needed 5 or 6 all hitting the signal at different angles (shapes to use described above).

Proper probe position and overlap is essential to get good, quick hits.

Also, using Sisters gear and a ship boosting exploration stats helps quite a bit too.

Lastly, there are a number of excellent video tutorials showing what to do on youtube.


Z.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-27 22:50:30 UTC
I use 4 probes with 50% overlap and then another 2, one above and one below. I use a ship with scanning bonus, have skills at 5/5/4, use sister's launcher and sister's probes and have scanning implants. There's nothing I can't scan down but the best thing is I can do it pretty quickly.

The most important thing I learned about scanning is the ALT key, as someone above said. It saves the tendons in your mouse hand more than anything else in Eve!
Dave stark
#9 - 2012-06-27 23:20:11 UTC
astrometrics II and nothing else. scanning down all but the xl grav sites after every downtime, like a boss.

as said, shift and alt are your best friends when scanning.
Dealth Striker
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-28 08:43:01 UTC
I use 5 probes (1 fixed in the middle and the other 4 are left, right, up, and down from the fifth). I would recommend googling a 5 probe scan.
The best things I like about using the 5 probes is the shift key for moving the configuration to the red dot, the alt key for moving the 4 probes into the 5th probe, and if I lose the scan, I can up the scan radius one notch and move the probes back out with the alt key.
Striker Out!!
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-29 15:58:03 UTC
Astrometrics 5
Pinpointing 4
Rangefinding 4

Sisters probes and launcher+Dedicated T2 ship with 2xT1 probing rigs, there's almost nothing you can't get but some anoms might be difficult to find than others.

Then it's all a matter of training, I always use max probes out, the more you have the easier is to find something

brb
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
#12 - 2012-06-29 17:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Galadriel Vasquez
Basically - its the altitude of your probes - if you didnt move them but reduced the signal then said signal is now above or below your spheres of detections. Its not going to jump 4AU horizontally (Because you should be locked and configured on it already :) but vertically it will and does.

I use Imicus - 2 Grav Rigs - Sisters Launcher and Sisters Probes.

I can launch 7 Probes and have them all slighly askew height wise.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.