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the biggest problem with eve/ccp
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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-06-25 10:58:02 UTC
hey look, 6 sites that have solid documentation of the game mechanics

http://wiki.eveonline.com
http://wiki.goonfleet.com (ahahahahaha you can't access it whatup)
http://eve.wikia.com
http://www.eve-wiki.net
http://eve.grismar.net/
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Minimal Charisma
Padded Sell
#22 - 2012-06-25 11:00:41 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
people keep pushing the invisible bounds of common sense


You could maybe add to that "in the hope that nobody notices and they get an unfair advantage".

In before the naive "EVE is not fair!".
Timberwulf420
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-25 11:01:24 UTC
I dont own it.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#24 - 2012-06-25 11:04:40 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
hey look, 6 sites that have solid documentation of the game mechanics

http://wiki.eveonline.com
http://wiki.goonfleet.com (ahahahahaha you can't access it whatup)
http://eve.wikia.com
http://www.eve-wiki.net
http://eve.grismar.net/
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org


(Cough)
http://eve.grismar.net/ Current EVE version: 5.11.64311 (Empyrean Age 1.1.1)

The OP's problem is not that there is no document ion but that it is outdated (as hell).
theSONARnet
Atmel Corporation
#25 - 2012-06-25 11:13:03 UTC
@op

I just returned after a long break and I do have the same problem.
It's trial and error again.
But it's fun ending up in the help channel with your 4 year old char asking 3 months olds how the game works
:-)
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-25 11:18:10 UTC
Y'see, I have this rare thing called common sense where I don't generally do things that are possible due to an obviously unintended side effect.

Funnily enough I don't get my **** taken from me, but I still make quite a bit of ISK.

Odd that.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#27 - 2012-06-25 11:18:36 UTC
Fine, you know what forums? I give up, you win, my brain has melted into a pile of goo and poured out my ears.
Alayna Le'line
#28 - 2012-06-25 11:30:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alayna Le'line
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
This probably won't make much sense as it's 4am in the morning and im tired, bitter and sick of repeating the same stuff.

Im sure loophole abuse was never part of ccp's game mechanics, but alas, people keep pushing the invisible bounds(of common sense) set by ccp. When stuff goes wrong they blame the "sandbox not being the sandbox that they have defined it being in their mind", when stuff goes in their favor they define it as "emergent gameplay"

Just because ccp didn't define something doesn't mean they need to as long as its common sense....and the gut feeling, but then again...

We are living in the age where companies get sued because people are too dumb to think that freshly made coffee is too hot to drink straight away and that the cup needs a gigantic label saying "WATCH OUT ITS HOT" or they will drink it without second thoughts.

God, i hate this planet.


Luckily for you, with Dust you now have plenty of planets to live on.


Planet Sony is not a planet I wish to live on. I've been there before, I think I'd rather live in a ditch on Nar-Shaddaa, though a ditch on Nar-Shaddaa could be an appropriate description for Planet Sony.

That said, puzzling together game information is half the fun, but having the wiki updated on some basic stuff wouldn't exactly hurt. In fact, it would probably result in less newbies hurting themselves because stuff no longer works the way it is advertised... The few that bother reading instead of just spamming help with basic questions answered in the tutorials, anyway... And yes, they do exist, you don't hear them so often cause, you know, they RTFM ...
WARDECALTSFTW
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-07-10 20:19:35 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
hey look, 6 sites that have solid documentation of the game mechanics

http://wiki.eveonline.com
http://wiki.goonfleet.com (ahahahahaha you can't access it whatup)
http://eve.wikia.com
http://www.eve-wiki.net
http://eve.grismar.net/
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org

hey look, 6 sites that had to do for themselves what CCP couldn't be bothered to do.

hey look, 6 sites that help make money for CCP by educating their clientele before they give up the game in disgust.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-07-10 20:21:28 UTC
Trollin wrote:
is the lack of clear concise information regarding current game mechanics.

Seriously if i google something or forum search it

70% of what i find is more than 1 year old
70% is mile long troll/flame/misinformation threads
70% is speculation/rumor/random **** said at fanfest or a blog or a random forum post

100% of it is subject to wild changes at the next patch with a couple drunken bar napkin scrawled patch notes or no note at all

you need to get your stuff together when it comes to providing clear and concise information about what your game actually is and what its going to be.

we are supposed to put our time and effort into making something here but everything is an unknown and the only way to find out is to get murdered/bent trying

im not asking for a hand holding, im asking for an evelopedia/mechanics explanation videos that aren'texpired the minute they are posted.

Fancy way of telling CCP to hire a SEO.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#31 - 2012-07-10 20:34:21 UTC
Why tell CCP anything right now? Aren't most of the devs on vacation?

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#32 - 2012-07-11 16:41:09 UTC
WARDECALTSFTW wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
hey look, 6 sites that have solid documentation of the game mechanics

http://wiki.eveonline.com
http://wiki.goonfleet.com (ahahahahaha you can't access it whatup)
http://eve.wikia.com
http://www.eve-wiki.net
http://eve.grismar.net/
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org

hey look, 6 sites that had to do for themselves what CCP couldn't be bothered to do.

hey look, 6 sites that help make money for CCP by educating their clientele before they give up the game in disgust.



Well, other than the first one...

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2012-07-11 16:55:02 UTC
WARDECALTSFTW wrote:

hey look, 6 sites that had to do for themselves what CCP couldn't be bothered to do.


Propose to CCP that you'll work for them, and your salary will be based on a separate subscription from players willing to pay for this type of work.

Enjoy working for nothing.
No Profit.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Cough Suppressant
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-07-11 16:57:19 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Why tell CCP anything right now? Aren't most of the devs on vacation?


nope, most are sitting on high sec gates scanning your cargo with trash alts
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#35 - 2012-07-11 17:00:34 UTC
I miss the times where you had to find stuff out on your own in eve - nowadays, everything is documented to death and as soon as people encounter something unknown, they google it and find a guide to follow to the letter.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-07-11 17:02:33 UTC
Trollin wrote:
is the lack of clear concise information regarding current game mechanics.

Seriously if i google something or forum search it

70% of what i find is more than 1 year old
70% is mile long troll/flame/misinformation threads
70% is speculation/rumor/random **** said at fanfest or a blog or a random forum post

100% of it is subject to wild changes at the next patch with a couple drunken bar napkin scrawled patch notes or no note at all

you need to get your stuff together when it comes to providing clear and concise information about what your game actually is and what its going to be.

we are supposed to put our time and effort into making something here but everything is an unknown and the only way to find out is to get murdered/bent trying

im not asking for a hand holding, im asking for an evelopedia/mechanics explanation videos that aren'texpired the minute they are posted.


it's part of the charm.

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