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Drone Help, PLEASE!

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Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-24 21:01:20 UTC
Okay, I am seriously about 5 minutes from quitting EVE, no one in my Corp has been able to answer this question, or they simply just say 'That shouldn't happen, not sure'.

Simply put, my drones suck, and it's making the game unplayable for anything lvl 3 + mission wise.

Before people ask, I have Drone's lvl 5 and all t1 drone support skills (nav, dur,sharp, inter) are at 4.

I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.

EVEN WITH A WEBBED TARGET, all they do is orbit, fire, and miss (or do like 3dmg).

Yes, EVEN WITH WEBBED TARGET. I know, what the ****?

Yes, I am locked onto a target and Yes, I am hitting "F" to make them attack. They are all in "Fighting" mode, I know how to make them work, duh.

So seriously, with those skills, why the **** can't they hit even a webbed target?

They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.
Ernest Erkannen
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-06-24 21:15:46 UTC
are you using t1 drones?
Temuken Radzu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-24 21:15:59 UTC
Do you use the appropriate drones against the right ship class? Medium and Heavy drones have some trouble with smaller targets like frigs. I once got stuck in a lv4 because i didnt have any light drones to take down the scrambling frigs. Luckely someone helped me out.

Light against frigates
Medium vs destroyers and cruisers
Heavy vs battleschips.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2012-06-24 21:17:14 UTC
Also, how many and with what hull are you launching them?
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-24 21:18:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Jecht Windu
Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.

I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger)
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-24 21:19:42 UTC
Using 5 of each Light/Heavy depending on situation.

Using a Megathron Navy Issue, which isn't as Drone savvy as Dominix I know but it should still work.
Ernest Erkannen
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-24 21:20:37 UTC
use t2. t1 lack in damage
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-24 21:22:15 UTC
Use t2? I don't have those skills yet haha
Walter JustWalter
ZZtopless
#9 - 2012-06-24 21:28:29 UTC
Blood Raider lowest resist is EM (Acolyte drones). The ship you mentioned is http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=11040

Is there an Incursion going on in your area right now that might be de-buffing your damage?
Aaewen Hrothgarson
eXtreme Co
SLYCE Pirates
#10 - 2012-06-24 21:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aaewen Hrothgarson
Hello

There are a lot more skills you didn't mention. Berserkers are heavy drones, not needed for Level 3 missions. They wont hit cruisers well not to mention frigates. Also they need an extra skill to deal damage well.

As already mentioned above, you need to match drone size to target size. For level 3 you should have a flight of medium scout and a flight of light scout (if drone bay permits).

Also, you mentioned only Minmatar drones. Those might be the fastest, but as IIRC have the lowest damage multiplicator, PLUS doing explosive damage.
Blood raider are weakest against EM and strongest against explosive. Either use Gallente (highest damage multiplicator) or the type that matches the NPC's vulnerability (in case of blood raiders Amarr drones - they deal EM).

Test around against belt spawns (frigates) first.

PS: I do Lvl 3 in a Brutix.(No drone bonus) - my Hammerheads and Hobgoblins do their job well (ofc, since i have the TS variant, they got better in it)
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-24 21:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Jecht Windu wrote:
Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.

I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger)



Heavies don't work that well against cruiser type rats.

Try using the Valkyrie I's (Mediums), they work better against Cruiser sized rats.

And maybe different Damage type (different race of drones)

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#12 - 2012-06-24 21:30:16 UTC
Jecht Windu wrote:
Using 5 of each Light/Heavy depending on situation.

Using a Megathron Navy Issue, which isn't as Drone savvy as Dominix I know but it should still work.


There's your problem. Without the ship-based damage bonus, drones are not a primary weapon system, period. The Megathron's primary weapon is ship turrets, typically large hybrids.

You're also using explosive drones against Blood raiders, whose Explosive resist is literally their highest resistance.

That summarizes the primary reasons you're having problems. Potentially, also:

Quote:
(nav, dur,sharp, inter)


Scout drone operation is also 5% per for mediums/smalls and heavy drone operation is 5% per for larges.

You should get at least Scout drone op V, it's a fast train and unlocks the specialization skills for medium/smalls, that's another 20% damage or so from using T2 and some change from the damage bonus.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2012-06-24 21:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jecht Windu wrote:
They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.

Berserkers and Warriors do explosive damage. Blood Raiders are weak to EM damage, but I recommend using thermal instead as Hobgoblins and Hammerhead have a much higher damage multiplier.

In fact, thermal damage is good for any mission.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/NPC_Damage_Types
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-06-24 21:54:41 UTC
Okay, so skill for T2 drones, and use a different race of Drone. I'll try that.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#15 - 2012-06-25 00:35:37 UTC
if you are webbing the target is is possible that the drones are orbiting it too fast to be able to hit the target.

also I find heavy drones very good at killing frigs because they will mwd up to them and once that finishes they are slower than the frig so they trail it and shoot right up the tailpipe at low transversial.

doing scout drone op to 5 to get access to t2 scout drones is also highly recommended.

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Flakey Foont
#16 - 2012-06-25 02:02:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Flakey Foont
All good advice!

Great corp!
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-06-25 04:49:44 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Jecht Windu wrote:
Yes I am using t1 drones, I said Berserkers and Warriors.

I also said that yes I deploy them based on what type of ship I am fighting. (ie, light drones for frigs, heavy for larger)


T1 drones are god awful.

EDIT: Also Sentry drones are the best drones.
Xtrah
Overload This
#18 - 2012-06-25 04:51:07 UTC
T2 drones will fix your problem. In L3s, go for 5 frig-killing drones, while you use your guns to shoot cruisers and above.

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Martin0
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-06-25 07:11:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Martin0
Jecht Windu wrote:

I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.


They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.


noone sees the problem? you are using the wrong drones, blood raiders are resistant to exp damage, they are weal to EM and THERMAL damage.
You should use gallente dronesBig smile
Jecht Windu
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-06-25 08:31:42 UTC
Martin0 wrote:
Jecht Windu wrote:

I use Berserkers and Warriors depending on the type of ship I want them to kill.


They spent 39 (yes, thirty nine) minutes trying to kill a Blood Raider Fighter... Before I finally started smashing my keyboard and warped out.


noone sees the problem? you are using the wrong drones, blood raiders are resistant to exp damage, they are weal to EM and THERMAL damage.
You should use gallente dronesBig smile



I actually am having the problem with pretty much every combo, I just used that as an example. Same issue with Hobgoblins and Hammerheads.
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