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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-06-24 00:57:40 UTC
Fatbottom Girl wrote:
CCP Xhagen says. "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden

June 22, 2012 Never forget.

The death of the sandbox came as innocuously as it began. A group of enterprising individuals who examine patch notes and run spreadsheets and formulas found a way to get ahead of a poorly implemented feature on an upcoming patch. The Viking Gods of CCP hf saw fit to sacrifice innovation upon the altar of expediency.

Walls slammed into place and bars were erected. "You may go this far and no further," was the message. This bold and beautiful universe we live in became much smaller.

June 22, 2012 Never forget.


+1, well said.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-06-24 00:58:50 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:
Strong Black Woman wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
If you want to pull of a grand heist, you shouldn't tell anyone you just pulled off a grand heist.


I they didn't tell anyone, then it would be a heist. By telling everyone about it, was just emergent gameplay.

Not really... Was the boomerang exploit emergent gameplay? How about that exploit where you webbed freighters as they were trying to insta-warp from stations? Both were clever manipulations of the game, but were still exploits.


The mechanic still exists, then mechanic itself was totally intended. It was the market manipulation of various items that let the guys do what they did.


if market manipulation is an exploit, then well, holy crapballs batman....

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#23 - 2012-06-24 01:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Ris Dnalor wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Grey Azorria wrote:
Strong Black Woman wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
If you want to pull of a grand heist, you shouldn't tell anyone you just pulled off a grand heist.


I they didn't tell anyone, then it would be a heist. By telling everyone about it, was just emergent gameplay.

Not really... Was the boomerang exploit emergent gameplay? How about that exploit where you webbed freighters as they were trying to insta-warp from stations? Both were clever manipulations of the game, but were still exploits.


The mechanic still exists, then mechanic itself was totally intended. It was the market manipulation of various items that let the guys do what they did.


if market manipulation is an exploit, then well, holy crapballs batman....



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EDIT: Why does CCP hate whitespace?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Akai Kvaesir
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
#24 - 2012-06-24 01:10:25 UTC
Here's the thing though, with the Sandbox. The whole idea behind EVE is Risk vs. Reward. There was no risk (as they were blowing up their own alts) and there was unlimited rewards. What about that isn't broken? Not only that, but seriously Goons...you posted about your heist on GD, and then get pissed when CCP wises up? You don't rob a bank, then head to the police and tell them EXACTLY how you bypassed the security...and then expect to get away with it, do you?

Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-06-24 01:17:21 UTC
I stand here at the edge ... wallowing in self pity ...

Crying to anyone that might hear in the empty reaches of space. "Why or why did they do this to me?"

"Just why, not fair!"

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-24 01:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: qDoctor Strangelove
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
Here's the thing though, with the Sandbox. The whole idea behind EVE is Risk vs. Reward. There was no risk (as they were blowing up their own alts) and there was unlimited rewards. What about that isn't broken? Not only that, but seriously Goons...you posted about your heist on GD, and then get pissed when CCP wises up? You don't rob a bank, then head to the police and tell them EXACTLY how you bypassed the security...and then expect to get away with it, do you?


Why wouldn't they?
Capsuleers have noone to fear, except partialy Concorde, but Concorde does not police market pvp, only agression against others in high sec space.

Factions do their battles in low sec, a free for all zone.
IF there was foul play, let concorde judge this, and adjust security standings therafter to prevent them from entering high sec space.


i urge you all to read the novell by CCP called Empyrian Age.
This sort of gameplay is what CCP themselves front as the posibilities of EVE.


And no risk vs reward??
When one invest all the isk one have, is that not a risk?
Tri Vetra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-24 01:55:15 UTC
never forget
Akai Kvaesir
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
#28 - 2012-06-24 02:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Akai Kvaesir
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
Here's the thing though, with the Sandbox. The whole idea behind EVE is Risk vs. Reward. There was no risk (as they were blowing up their own alts) and there was unlimited rewards. What about that isn't broken? Not only that, but seriously Goons...you posted about your heist on GD, and then get pissed when CCP wises up? You don't rob a bank, then head to the police and tell them EXACTLY how you bypassed the security...and then expect to get away with it, do you?


Why wouldn't they?
Capsuleers have noone to fear, except partialy Concorde, but Concorde does not police market pvp, only agression against others in high sec space.

Factions do their battles in low sec, a free for all zone.
IF there was foul play, let concorde judge this, and adjust security standings therafter to prevent them from entering high sec space.


i urge you all to read the novell by CCP called Empyrian Age.
This sort of gameplay is what CCP themselves front as the posibilities of EVE.


And no risk vs reward??
When one invest all the isk one have, is that not a risk?



You forget that EVE is a game, and that posting about their heist on a internet forum IN THE REAL WORLD, Goons just handed themselves to CCP on a silver platter. Normally, I would completely agree with you; except that the "bank" that was "robbed" equates to an infinite ISK-printer run by God (aka CCP, and not an NPC faction or corp). They found the ultimate ISK faucet, and drank their fill. I'm all for emergent gameplay, but aside from the Goon-alts that were blown up for the LP, I fail to see how this had ANYTHING to do with the rest of the playerbase, or even the NPC factions. Just because something is broken doesn't mean what happens because of it's broken nature is what is INTENDED to happen. And, in the end, it's STILL CCP's game. We only rent time to play.

EDIT: Also, Goon's have so much ISK, and all the tech they want. There's absolutely NO WAY they invested "all the ISK" into this one venture. There was no risk, as they were blowing themselves up. It's like making a bet against yourself, you can't lose.

Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.

Akai Kvaesir
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
#29 - 2012-06-24 02:05:43 UTC
Tri Vetra wrote:
never forget

because this is TOTALLY like that last event that everyone loves to say they won't forget. Good job invalidating a terrible event by equating it to a debacle in a VIDEO GAME.

Frogblast the Vent Core! When the W'rkncacnter came, Pthia was killed, and Yrro in anger, flung the W'rkncacnter into the sun. The sun burned them, but they swam on its surface.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#30 - 2012-06-24 03:57:13 UTC
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
Tri Vetra wrote:
never forget

because this is TOTALLY like that last event that everyone loves to say they won't forget. Good job invalidating a terrible event by equating it to a debacle in a VIDEO GAME.


You mean Incarna? Or maybe the 20% layoffs?

Oooohhhhh, you're assuming that a turn of phrase that's been in use for centuries (in various languages and phrasing), can only refer to one event in modern history.

December 7th 1941... or were you thinking something else? It gets used so often, who can keep them straight?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

macaquinh0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-06-24 05:02:08 UTC
They got greedy. They did if for an amount of isk that CCP couldn't ignore. They knew they were pushing the limit.


There may have been an amount that wasn't worth them removing or worth the bad PR. But the guys involved do if for a stupid amount of isk and then make it public. They poked and laughed at the bear, they cant complain complain when the bear ripped of thier arm
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#32 - 2012-06-24 05:27:02 UTC
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
Tri Vetra wrote:
never forget

because this is TOTALLY like that last event that everyone loves to say they won't forget. Good job invalidating a terrible event by equating it to a debacle in a VIDEO GAME.


Internet spaceships is serious business.

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#33 - 2012-06-24 08:02:14 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:
Fatbottom Girl wrote:
blah blah blah

Sandboxes have always had boundaries, otherwise they would just be beaches or deserts or something.

Beaches and deserts also have boundaries. Roll

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Frying Doom
#34 - 2012-06-24 08:15:06 UTC
Is it just me or did the same thing happen years ago with a POS exploit.

People banned, isk taken back ect..

I don't think this is such a new idea.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#35 - 2012-06-24 09:54:09 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
Tri Vetra wrote:
never forget

because this is TOTALLY like that last event that everyone loves to say they won't forget. Good job invalidating a terrible event by equating it to a debacle in a VIDEO GAME.


Internet spaceships is serious business.


EVE Is real MAAAAAN! I was there MAAAAN! Well, according that video CCP made anyway.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-06-24 10:00:49 UTC
In before The L0ck.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-06-24 10:36:58 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
In before The L0ck.


A real lock wouldn't be "too much" since counter arguments and arguments from decently intelligent people (not my trolette of course) have been discussed and, has per usual, this thread is turning in to a big load of crap and brainless comments.

R.I.P.

brb

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2012-06-24 14:09:03 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Akai Kvaesir wrote:
Tri Vetra wrote:
never forget

because this is TOTALLY like that last event that everyone loves to say they won't forget. Good job invalidating a terrible event by equating it to a debacle in a VIDEO GAME.

Internet spaceships is serious business.

EVE Is real MAAAAAN! I was there MAAAAN! Well, according that video CCP made anyway.

On the EVEO forums,

General Discussion,

4x4 thread,

I was there ~~~

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EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-06-24 14:20:18 UTC
I bet alot of Hulk miners are real broken up about this Blink
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-06-24 14:25:00 UTC
Grey Azorria wrote:
Strong Black Woman wrote:
Jayrendo Karr wrote:
If you want to pull of a grand heist, you shouldn't tell anyone you just pulled off a grand heist.


I they didn't tell anyone, then it would be a heist. By telling everyone about it, was just emergent gameplay.

Not really... Was the boomerang exploit emergent gameplay? How about that exploit where you webbed freighters as they were trying to insta-warp from stations? Both were clever manipulations of the game, but were still exploits.


Did people who used it have their assets seized without warning?

Dual Pane idea: Click!

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