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How is this an exploit when insurance fruad was not?
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Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-06-23 23:26:05 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Montmazar wrote:

You are basically arguing against the entire design philosophy of EVE. And that's what makes CCPs response to the LP thing so funny - they're going back on everything they've hyped about this universe.


"Come play Eve! The spreadsheet universe where you crunch the numbers and blow yourself up for profits."

Nope, didn't see that hype ... but it souds like something Al Qaeda might like.


And this is what I was getting at. Blowing yourself up shouldn't ever net you a "win". If it does, whatever mechanism is allowing that is broke.

The only way this could be considered sandbox is if insurance system or Faction Wars were a player created thing and that got scammed, abused, etc.
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-06-23 23:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: ModeratedToSilence
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Just because game mechanics allow something does not mean it's not an exploit. Often it means they don't know about it or they haven't fixed it yet. The defense "the game allows me to do it so it should be allowed" is trying to get away on a technicality. You don't have to be warned or punished to exploit something unintended. It doesn't have to be fixed for you to be exploiting something that is unintended.

I love the list of things they did and asking which one is the exploit. I'm pretty sure if I had followed all those steps I would have lost ISK and wondered which part you left out. The part that was left out is where they analyzed and manipulated the market to make tons of ISK from NPCs. Your list is not complete because I can follow it to the letter and not make any ISK. You wanted a better analogy, ok...Buying and selling stocks is legal. Using information that not everyone has access to in order to make the buying and selling of stocks more profitable is not legal.

Blowing up ships to make a profit from the insurance was an exploit. Do you really think that was what was intended? It was a flaw in the design of it and people exploited that flaw.

This shouldn't be such a point of contention. How you define it is just silly, we all understand the problem. They used a flaw in the game design to make ISK in a way that was not intended.

Manipulating the market to make lots of ISK from other players = good.
Manipulating the market to make lots of ISK from NPCs = bad.


Any eve player had access to the information they had.
If both Insurance fraud and LP manipulation are exploits why has one gone unpunished and the other punished?
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-06-24 00:38:07 UTC
ModeratedToSilence wrote:


Any eve player had access to the information they had.

Yes, that is correct. I didn't really look much into trying to access the bottomless NPC wallet through market manipulation and mutual, multiple suicides.
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If both Insurance fraud and LP manipulation are exploits why has one gone unpunished and the other punished?


Punishment does not equal guilt, absence of punishment does not equal innocence.

Or did you think OJ really didn't do it?
MagicAcid
Nullbear Tear Extractors
Hostile Intervention
#84 - 2012-06-24 01:25:56 UTC
How is it even an exploit, the whole point of the market prices was to let EvE players set the price instead of using some arbitrary power of 2 numbers for minerals called base price.

This is the exact same problem as insurance fruad where CCP stupidly sets a price floor on items and this same exact method can (and im pissed they did it before me) and will be used to do insurance fruad again.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2012-06-24 04:09:10 UTC
so you're the ass that got insurance nerfed to the point that it's useless.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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MagicAcid
Nullbear Tear Extractors
Hostile Intervention
#86 - 2012-06-24 04:54:38 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
so you're the ass that got insurance nerfed to the point that it's useless.


Yeah, thats me :)

We can't have free ships for giant 0.0 BS blobs... that doesn't make sense.