Issues, Workarounds & Localization

I was blitzing Drone Horde Cosmic Anomaly in carriers.

With local up and eyes on intell channels and with team speak and in a dead end system. As I finished one of the hordes and recalled all my drones. Razer alliance shows up in overview only .. 40 plus in small waves and bubbles up. Repair models did not respond, could not refit carriers even most caps were 2 km away and or redeploy drones. Also Razer alliance not showing in local to me and my local alliance members while engaged.
I was able to deploy some drones and start repairs while carrier was near Structure and was able to kill a few of them. Alliance members giving chase to pods and seeing them pass through bubbles like they were not even there.
No time dilation also no lag. Just local chatter of Razer saying "good fight, thank you for not self distrusting, Honor able fight etc etc"

They manged to pass through 60 km of bubbled gate in battle cruisers and t2 and few t3s.In less then a few second. I saw about 12 of them in over view before the first one popped up in local and about three seconds later forty vs one.
It was more upset about not being able to fight back then losing my caps. Not being able to put a Smart bomb on from a nearby carrier not even being able to turn on modules for good 30 seconds with most hostiles within 5- 7 km away drone even closer..
With my Modules not responding I just waited and made most of the situation .

Perhaps it is just a bug. Local used to display offline charters a few week ago not it seem defective or delayed.

I petition the matter and I was told this morning it would not be fare to 40 players for my ship to be replaced. Even though My alliance members and screen print showed the hostiles were not in local with My capitals engaged.
Does not sound fare to me. It seems value of 40 accounts out weigh the of just one person

I have played eve for many years and have greatly enjoyed it but now now perhaps its time to realize the obvious and move on to other games. Ccp can restore my ships and just fix their small bugs then to respond to my petition within an hour and saying it wont be fare to 40plus players.

you should escalate your petition, incase you didn't/didn't know/haven't already

Yes i agree.
If ccp says it's not fair to the 40 players to restore the ships and fix the bug then
PLZ TELL ALL EVE PLAYERS HOW THEY ARE DOING IT
so we can ALL have fair fun too.

Power to the player so the group may improve
instead of neglecting it

There are some posts about this from a couple years back.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/04/22/confirmed-exploit-allows-eve-players-to-sneak-up-on-unsuspecting/

Sounds very similar to this article. If this is indeed okay by CCP and not considered an exploit, they need to share on how we all need to manipulate the game so it is an even playing field.

Otherwise, CCP needs to replace this guys ships, and take actions against the people using this exploit. If it's not common knowledge to the entire population of EVE, it must be an exploit. So please CCP fill us all in on how to duplicate this so that we can use it ourselves or declare it an exploit.

This is no exploit on razer's part. I too am having problems with local chat as well as corp chat not showing the full list.

I can't comment on the bubble issue, but I know I haven't been showing up in local (or corp chat) today, due to issues with the chat - many in my corp haven't.

I suppose I could have taken advantage of it, and I suppose Razer could have been in the same situation.

They'd be faced with 2 choices:
1) stop playing until the bug is fixed
2) Play on, and deal with the problems and benefits of the bug.

It was CCP's bug, but they may have opportunistically exploited it.
This isn't the same as intentionally caused a bug that you can avoid - I could not avoid the bug that was preventing me from appearing or seeing local.
So I'm not sure this was an exploit in the traditional sense.

However, since CCP screwed up, CCP should do some restitution:
ie give you back your carrier, and also give back the ships that Razer lost - as if this battle never happened, because it probably wouldn't have if it weren't for CCP's mistake.

Sparky11080 You said my caps were scouted long before the kill and when you came in system with 40 ships mostly BC there were no bubbles....only if your t1 ships hurricas can ignore mobile warp fields I guess...
http://i47.tinypic.com/33xbwhu.png
this is pz gate. You jumped in system and were able to point my caps without showing in local.within seconds. Again it is not the loss of caps Im upset about its how you not sharing the fact of being able to ignore bubbles and not showing in local.. joking. Perhaps it is a bug.... but timing of it all and shooting a cap even when it is seems disabled and your pods being able to get away through that bubble land..... just saying

i can confirm the gate was bubbled, and we burned trough them. it only took about max 5 to 10 sek with my mwd scimi due to the bad arrangement of the bubbles.

Your macro script was outdated. Thats the only reason your bots did not warped off when we entered local.

I wasn't in this fleet but there are some holes in your argument that invoke skepticism. If you couldn't see them in local, how do you know that you were pointed within seconds of them entering system?

EVEN IF this is a bug and your ships were lost due to a bug, I don't think they should be replaced based on hearsay alone because that sets a terrible precedent where, as long as the bug isn't fixed, anyone can claim they couldn't see their attacker in local and get any ship lost in pvp replaced.

The ships should only be replaced if you can provide screenshots of being attacked by the Razor fleet with your local chat window open and not showing them.