EVE General Discussion

I advise you to scan all the moons in a single constellation before making this recommendation again.

Then do it again every 30 days.

Well speaking of carrots. The way I see things, this low sec roaming navy gang could be very very interesting. It would naturally need to have an NPC auto Pilot button. But the Devs, and GM's could actually have a lot of fun in there down time actually flying these navy guys. Much the same way they operate an NPC from time to time. There's CCP's carrot.

In other words, they could decide to go shoot up one of these large coalitions from time to time. LOL

No...

You have successfully made the game completely un-fun for a large percentage of the player base who will then find a game that is actually fun for them.

I'm sure CCP really likes your solution a lot.

Mr Epeen

I do think far too many Titans and Super Carriers exist in the game than CCP would have liked. Look at Pandemic, last time I checked they could field in excess of 60 Titans, not counting Super Carriers. Might be more now.

I think they could use a little thinning.

I already cancelled my accounts. My main account has already expired. This one is due to expire sometime in September; however, your question has caused me to log in because it was a sore spot for me when I first started Eve (6 years ago).

Nullsec has choke points to even get to it. This is why "nobody" goes there.

Let me repeat that: Nullsec has choke points to even get into it.

Why are these "gateways" there? What game mechanic are they supposed to be encouraging? All it encouraged me to do was stay away from nullsec because if you guard those choke points properly, nobody can get in or out without having a larger fleet.

Someone mentioned interdiction nullifiers. This would help somewhat because bubbles are so hardcore. I fitted out a T3 Tengu with an interdiction nullifier and it was barely good enough to do ratting. Why rat when I can do L4 missions in highsec? Sure, I might get the occasional officer drop (not bloody likely since I would not want to dedicate myself to ratting in null) but even then, I can not use it as the ship it is fitted on will get ganked. (no tears, just providing illustrations)

So what is there in nullsec for me to do? Can't mine. Can't run plexes. Can't.. Ah. PvP. Well, I can get plenty of interesting PvP in lowsec. Hell, nowadays, I can get plenty of unasked for PvP in highsec.

TL;DR get rid of the stupid choke points or be satisfied that whatever game mechanic is being encouraged by them is also discouraging other game mechanics.

This. Is. Good. A very good idea. I snipped the rest of them because they were crap but this one is a very very good idea. An Alliance is basicly acting as a government. A government lays out transaction taxes. This idea makes sense but I am unsure if it would revitalize null. None of the alliances seem to want to act like grownups and provide a real police force to encourage people to wander into their territories.

Can you imagine how absurdly wealthy a nullsec alliance would be inviting carebears to mine in their space, protecting them, and then taxing the transactions? Set up border checkpoints and such to ensure that "ore" is not being smuggled out.

Nah. It could not happen. Nullsec is purely for warlord type behavior.

Perhaps if you would invite carebears and protect them, you would not care about the yield of the refining at a POS since THEY are doing all of the nasty work that you do not like? Oh, right. Carebears are strictly for feeding off of by killing. It is simply NOT possible in your primitive aggressive brain to feed off of carebears in a sustainable manner like all modern societies do.

Please refrain from personal attacks. Spitfire

How are they a barrier towards nullsec entry? New players are just as able to join the titan pilot's alliance as any old player. Unless you're saying that new, unorganized groups have just as much right to hold lawless space as better equipped and organized ones.

So much arrogance (as usual) and so wrong...

Older groups are becoming harder and harder and harder to displace. Usually (so far as I've been able to tell) it's remnants of other older groups doing it over and over and over ad-nauseum...

Frankly, I don't care what they do with null. I'll continue to raid sovereign null sec systems from wormholes - so I get to null-sec w/o having to play "your game".

The residents of null are their own worst enemy.

I'm going to repost this thing that I wrote back on page 13 or so which explains why the idea of policing a neutral-permissing space empire (aka NRDS) doesn't work:

In economics null is what's known as being a "primary industry" - ie: it extracts raw resources from the environment for sale like how logging and oil companies to in real life (there are lone exceptions, like supercaps but overall it stands), 0.0 exports raw moon goo, raw isk, officer modules, high-end ore, etc. to secondary (manufacturing) and tertiary (retail, market) industries (as well as primary production of low-end mins), whose roles are filled by high-security space. Things are manufactured in highsec not only because it's far, far safer, but because game mechanics make it literally impossible to make a section of 0.0 as efficient and useful as an equivalent piece of highsec. What I at least am trying to propose is making it so that game mechanics at least make it possible for 0.0 to develop secondary and tertiary industries of it own. No 'handouts', but just at least the tools to make it possible. Then there'd be an incentive to 0.0 alliances to actually bring in lots of miners and industrialists to fuel their own internal economies instead of just a raw source of rent income.


I don't have to imagine how wealthy they would be, the Drone Regions had exactly what you're describing when you could 'mine with guns' far more efficiently then any Hulk could, the Russian overlords built a fifth of nullsec around it. It did not lead to 'vibrancy', though some like Grath Telkin would disagree. However despite its success, it was incapable of evolving beyond a resource-extracting organization since because the unbreakable 0.0 mechanics did not make possible.

That's unenforceable with the existence of jump drives, which can jump across dozens of systems instantly and instantly bypass even the most vigilant tax-enforcer.