EVE New Citizens Q&A

i just started maybe a week ago and a buddy of mine been playing for a while now and he got his mining skills pretty high, we were thinking of doing a co-op where i can train for hauling his "loot"

im very inexperience with this and i feel its my "niche", so any information such as ships, modules, skills or anything else that i would need to know, i would appreciate the wealth of information you guys are willing to hand me.

Thx in advance :D

i'll eventually do something else for sure, but right now i wanna take this on and go on from there

just playing with the different aspects of EVE one thing at a time :)

Thanks for the ton of information ISD Etetia

you hit all the notes i was looking for :)

Generally, it is wise for everyone to have a Hauler 'alt' to move their stuff around if their main character has their Corporation war decced. So if you want to do hauling, stay in the NPC corporation (with your hauler) and have your mining buddy pay you for your hauling.

Amarr Bestowers are the easiest to train into, which takes about three days to train. Gallente Iteron V's have the largest capacity, but they take a whole month to train. Also, once you have Gallente Industrial 5 you are not far off from flying cloaky haulers, blockade runners, and freighters.

Freighters can haul huge amounts, they are very slow and you can generally fly them AFK in high sec. Flying a freighter is like watching grass grow. They have no slots at all, so all you can do is fill them up, undock, dock, and unload them.

If you want to fly a Freighter it helps to have a second account, or at least a second character that can run missions or for PvP or something. Play on your 'active' fighter/ missioning character when you are active and online. Relog and switch to your Frieghter character before you go to bed. Load your Frieghter, undock from say Amarr station and go to sleep. When you wake up, your Freighter on autopilot should be docking in Jita.

Blockade runners and transport ships are tough built and/or cloaking haulers used to bring stuff into low sec and null sec. Most people that live in low-sec or Null sec already have an 'alt' that can fly one of these, so it's tough to make a career from it.

What some professional miners end up doing is opening up two accounts. One account is a miner, one account is a hauler which doesn't take much training or skill. You can run two clients at once. This is called 'double boxing'. Basically the miner uses the hauler's industrial ship as a giant jet can.

So hauling for a miner is a good niche at first, but it's pretty easy to replace you with an alt so it's not like you can make a career out of it.

Some people that do hauling in EvE take courier contracts. However, they ask for a huge amount of collateral and usually offer a pretty chintzy reward. Apparently hauling is the most boring and least well paid of all careers in EvE, at least if you rely on courier contracts and trading NPC goods (such as long-legged roe).

One skill set that fits in quite well with hauling is trading.

Trading is also pretty boring, but you can make (or lose) a huge amount of cash doing it.

The kind of trading most people do at first is 'speculative hauling', where you compare price differences in one region, buy low there and sell high in another region (or even within the same region). Unlike hauling however, the skills to be a trader could take months, and the out of game research and trial-and-error of learning to trade could take years. Learn where the trade hubs are, both the major hubs and the minor hubs, study things like market history to see which items sell quickly and which items can sell for a mark-up. Learn to place buy orders and sell orders. Once you get good at trading, you don't even HAVE to haul your stuff around anymore (unless you want to). You could stay docked in a station all day. Boring but lucrative.

Trading skills are the only skills (besides leadership) in EvE which requires high charisma, so take that into account when you train as a trader.

Since your friend is a miner, selling and hauling minerals is a good place to start. Until you get your refining skills up high though, and have good standings with the corporation that owns the station, you might make more money selling the ore.

Running courier missions for a corporation is one way of running up good standings. The pay for these mission is not great, and it's pretty boring, but they usually give you a really nice implant as a reward for the story line missions. Also, having good standings with some corporations such as Poteque Pharamaceuticals(?) will give you access to Research and development agents, who will give you data cores 24/ 7/ 365 without you having to do anything. You can sell these data cores, or use them yourself in invention (making tech 2 items).

if you are flying an industrial in high sec and carrying any more than 20 million ISK in goods, chances are someone will scan your cargo and try to suicide gank you. They will blow up your ship even though CONCORD will destroy their ship, then send a neutral friend or alt with an empty industrial or hauler to scoop up your stuff.

One of the interesting potentials of an Industrial ship is to use it as a 'bait ship'. Fit the mid slots and low slots with things like webs and warp scramblers, armour repair mods, and put neutralizers or a weapon in the high slots, and you can go toe to toe in battle with some small frigates.

If you are looking at getting into mining and like hauling, consider training for an Orca. Orcas are a mining support ship, which also give bonuses to the miners. However, they have a huge cargo bay too, so they make pretty awesome haulers. There is also a bay for assembled ships where they can refit, or even change ships. This can be handy if you need to change your mining ship for say, a combat vessel or a salvage ship. They can also hold a lot of ore (250,000 m3?). Orcas have a hold that can't be scanned, so they are a pretty good 'anti-gank' ship.

The Orca takes a long time to train up for, but probably no longer than the Iteron V (which can only haul). However, they are a very useful ship.

My hauler alt trained caldari industrial so that I could have a charon one day. What you train now vs what you train later and the advantages of sooner and later are very important if you are going to haul to make a profit.

If you really like it, you can look into the requirements of joining a corp like Red Frog. They are all about logistics.

Best cruiser for cargo size is the Gallente Exequror.

Also, use containers. They have more space inside them than they take up. For example, a Huge Secure Container takes up 1500m³ in your cargo bay but has space for 1950m³ of items. On top of that you can put a password on these containers and possibly save some of your stuff should you get ganked. Most pirates will just destroy them if they cannot open them but hey, in some cases it could save you some money should they leave them alone.