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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#2721 - 2012-06-23 20:04:40 UTC
Annasys wrote:
Burn New Eden.


Winter is coming™

.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2722 - 2012-06-23 20:08:28 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ITT Some clever bastards in GSF did some research and figured out how to manipulate the system in their favour, said goons preen, their detractors whine about them preening.

Meanwhile real world governments and commercial entities have staff do the same and eventually fail miserably, screwing everybody else in the process.


I approve of hiring Goons as Goldman Sachs consultants! If anything, fireworks are amusing.
Annasys
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2723 - 2012-06-23 20:13:37 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Annasys wrote:
Burn New Eden.


Winter is coming™


I like winter.

P.S. Burn New Eden. (So I can go play a better game.)

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Aooz
Doomheim
#2724 - 2012-06-23 20:15:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Please refrain from personal attacks. Spitfire
Dave stark
#2725 - 2012-06-23 20:20:13 UTC
Aooz wrote:
Wu-Tian wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.


The lost art of keeping a secret.



Just typical attention whoring by goons. But to be fair, this was probably the shining moment of OP's dark and dreary basement dwelling life, then you just have the usual mob of goon lackeys grasping for second hand attention which is really what they're best at.

Though it was an OK story, enjoy your space money and "loyalty points"


beautiful shade of green to this post.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2726 - 2012-06-23 20:23:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

I approve of hiring Goons as Goldman Sachs consultants! If anything, fireworks are amusing.


They couldn't do any worse Pirate

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2727 - 2012-06-23 20:33:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Tallon Sylph wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


Just because a door is open, does not automatically mean that you should walk in.


Is the door located in an environment that is billed as being a sandbox?


As was said earlier, the key really is in that word you seem to be hung up on. All boxes have boundaries, they must in order for them to function, without boundaries there would be utter chaos and would bring about the demise of any system fairly rapidly. Until now those boundaries have, for the most part, seemed non-existent because no-one had really found them.

yeah its not a box without edges

Andrea Roche wrote:
Tallon Sylph wrote:


Is the door located in an environment that is billed as being a sandbox?


is the sandbox yours or theirs?


they thought it was theirs, now theyre being shown its not

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2728 - 2012-06-23 20:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Danfen Fenix wrote:


Last I checked, I thought the community pretty much thought goons had CCP in their back pockets?

What happened? Something not go your way, so suddenly everyones out to get you ? P

kinda like the csm argument lol are they useless or too poweful?

Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
sort of like finding out your sandbox has razor blades hidden in the sand


This is called Karma. Karma is a **tch.


by everyone other than Goons yeah. To them its a travesty lol

Cygnet Lythanea wrote:



Or games where exploits aren't punished with permabans. Oh, wait....

BTW: Sir Molle's version was, and I quote: "There's no such thing. Next thing you'll tell me is you believe in the tooth fairy."

But that time it was goons talking about karma.

My, we have come full circle, haven't we?


lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2729 - 2012-06-23 20:47:51 UTC
Tolokar wrote:
My question is why is Sreegs or CCP putting up with this? Why isn't this thread locked? Let the investigation occur and be done with it. If you know you didn't exploit or do something illegal you have nothing to worry about. If you did ... Well the. F*ck you and you got what you deserve for being scumbags.


Cause the last time they DID that the forums had to be shut off cause of the rage

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Betrinna Cantis
#2730 - 2012-06-23 20:48:09 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
Aryth wrote:
It's more than that. To justify seizing everything, and even assets unreleated to FW, they have to be saying, using their own game mechanics, and the design they were repeatedly told was bad, is an exploit. That is what is so chilling about it.

This isn't the CCP of 2 years ago. Sonyfied CCP is not the CCP we know and love. They are something different now. It wasn't until it hit PCGamer they took actoin.


They usually lock down everything until they can figure out exactly what is what and complete the investigation.

But you know all about eve, the ins, the outs. So you knew they would do this.

Seems a fair approch to me. If, say in RL, you get caught doing a Ponzi scheem or something along those lines, Your assets are frozen until things are sorted out. Not that hard to figure that CCP wouldn't do the same type of things is it? I may be wrong but it makes sense to me.

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2731 - 2012-06-23 20:53:11 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

The last time I remember this was the last time I said a few posts back. When the volume of new threads required the forums to be taken down after the open letter and T20


I was thinking Mittens brush with permaban and arrest, myself.


I dont remember CCP actually having to shut off the forums to stem the rage that time tho lol

(sorry as you can likely guess, dinner has kept me a few pages back so Im catching up)

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2732 - 2012-06-23 21:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

The last time I remember this was the last time I said a few posts back. When the volume of new threads required the forums to be taken down after the open letter and T20


I was thinking Mittens brush with permaban and arrest, myself.


ya cause as he said; cyberbullying in the US = child molesting.

It would have been hardly a "brush" if it were as serious as he pretended

But then again, the "if you cant do the time, dont do the crime" applies

corestwo wrote:
You sort of see why many people see this as a massive change in precedent, right?


Because its Goons getting punished?
Damn, youre right

Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Posting in a thread...


Also....................HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHA.

Currently finding it comical that goons pride themselves on ruining other peoples game. But, give the most delicious of tears when someone (in this case CCP) ruins theirs!


Thats whats so damn funny, its not even ruined, or really dented. It was just money. no real punishment, and look at the 130+ pages of QQ

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2733 - 2012-06-23 21:12:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Ariel Marquette wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Posting in a thread...


Also....................HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHA.

Currently finding it comical that goons pride themselves on ruining other peoples game. But, give the most delicious of tears when someone (in this case CCP) ruins theirs!


Having your game ruined by a player is one thing. Having it ruined by the company is another. How can you not see this?


Having your game ruined by players for no reason other than lulz is one thing. Having your game ruined by the company for pissing in their sandbox and then continuing to do it after they attempt to correct the issue is completely different.



"How can you not see this?"

RDevz wrote:


I'm sorry, Sreegs, but the precise correlation between the information you communicated in this statement, and the facts in so far as they can be determined and demonstrated by this dev blog by GM Salmon, your VP of Customer Relations, causes epistemological problems of sufficient a magnitude as to place upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.


Well also the T20 deal. There were dev blogs on that as well that well. "Transparency" doesnt jive well with the "we cant tell you" thing

[quote=Xython]

If you don't know, perhaps you should bow out of this conversation. /quote]

I do believe he already did, several pages ago

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2734 - 2012-06-23 21:21:16 UTC
Minerva Seraph wrote:


A lot of us expected the rule of the game to be "If it's the logical ends of the code, so be it" - with the exception of CCP's rulings, applied forward. Metagaming cartels, products of market orders and refining, and spreadsheet abuse don't break the rules. Reacting limitless amounts of moon materials did break the rules.

Let it be.


Also; wardec changes recently

EVE isnt meant to be fair. As it was said. Why should CCP be?
HTFU

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tolokar
Perkone
Caldari State
#2735 - 2012-06-23 21:23:23 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Minerva Seraph wrote:


A lot of us expected the rule of the game to be "If it's the logical ends of the code, so be it" - with the exception of CCP's rulings, applied forward. Metagaming cartels, products of market orders and refining, and spreadsheet abuse don't break the rules. Reacting limitless amounts of moon materials did break the rules.

Let it be.


Also; wardec changes recently

EVE isnt meant to be fair. As it was said. Why should CCP be?
HTFU


What's htfu
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#2736 - 2012-06-23 21:24:02 UTC
Ariel Marquette wrote:
Xython wrote:
This whole thing is a win win for anyone who likes good fourm rage. Either CCP is going to let this go (and the pubbies will EXPLODE), or they're not (and everyone who values the sandbox will EXPLODE). There may be a 3rd option, but I certainly ain't seeing it.


Goons are "everyone who values the sandbox"? You really do think too much of yourselves. No one other than Goons and Goon cronies (looking at you, TEST) are going to be upset about anything bad happening to Goons.


I like how you lump anyone who doesn't explicitly hate goons so much they would go out of their way to hurt them in real life must be a goon or a goon crony.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2737 - 2012-06-23 21:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Harden the ---- up. Its a saying invented BY CCP and in song lol

Ariel Marquette wrote:
Xython wrote:
This whole thing is a win win for anyone who likes good fourm rage. Either CCP is going to let this go (and the pubbies will EXPLODE), or they're not (and everyone who values the sandbox will EXPLODE). There may be a 3rd option, but I certainly ain't seeing it.


Goons are "everyone who values the sandbox"? You really do think too much of yourselves. No one other than Goons and Goon cronies (looking at you, TEST) are going to be upset about anything bad happening to Goons.


And even certain TEST here have been laughing at them

corestwo wrote:

This would own. In a world where frigates are top dog, goons rule the universe. Cool


Thought you already did?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2738 - 2012-06-23 21:25:38 UTC
Tolokar wrote:


What's htfu


A polite version of STFU
Rasmido
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2739 - 2012-06-23 21:27:01 UTC
Xutech
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2740 - 2012-06-23 21:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Spitfire
Discussing moderation is a no-no. Spitfire