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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#2701 - 2012-06-23 18:49:50 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
or maybe UMAD BRO?

136 pages? They PISSED!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2702 - 2012-06-23 18:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
or maybe UMAD BRO?

136 pages? They PISSED!


Well no not really, the ones after the open letter and T20 were much longer and filled with many MORE of them and less ppl fighting against them. Also the supposed "DDOS" that brought down the forums (or thats what I heard after the fact, I think the official word was they were taken down to stop thousands of ppl from spamming them).

Xython wrote:
Imiarr Timshae wrote:
Just to save Screegs the typing:

The bottom line is you have to tolerate what we do or go make your own internet spaceship game to play.


The scary thing is, some of the BOB people that we threw out of EVE actually did that. Some mecha version of EVE. Very early in it's development but was kinda interesting.


Yeah its called Mechwarrior Online. Wheres he proof that they are BoB?
I WOULD like to see that paper trail. Unless of course it doesnt exist.

Unless its another game

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kuzim Blaky'all
Recycling and Recovery
#2703 - 2012-06-23 18:57:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuzim Blaky'all
Sup dawg dig it by special request, a dawg say
kuzim, come out of rest! show they bad dawg posse brin yo best!

s dig it, once again, on da eveside streets
mi puttin words on da board and sharin da beats

dawgs use to say a dawg was causin' abuse
but stoppin a dawg, dig it, they was no use
but dig it dawg, re-re wasn't brakin' da law,
mi was jus recyclied, and gettin up a dawg craw
but ain no need for any but a reaper its tru,
jus always need to stop a bad dawg who get thru
an wreck up mi gig by bustin' mi boat
makin it hard for re-re jus to stay afloat,

but dig it dawg, mi always have a way to get thru,
you stop wi gig, yo messin' wit recyclien crew.
you stop mi from gettin mad stacks of cash,
yo gig is gonan end up tossed out wit da trash
let re-re live on, let a dawg get him goods
by lettin' mi posse into da filthy hoods
best be let mi pack gettin they a full rack
kuz if you mess wit kuzim him will always be back.

word dawg be safe.

dig it dawg a dawg ain got no rig what do eveside, so a dawg ain bein up in eveside but maybe a dawg do sometime, a re-re ain gettin no guff if him come back an be recyclien again, dig? a dawg dont want to be brakin mad rulz.
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#2704 - 2012-06-23 18:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Wolodymyr
Wow 136 pages! This thread is amazing.

Also I'd just like to point out

CCP nerfs tracking titans -> OMG CCP are working for goons!

CCP nerfs wardeck allies -> OMG CCP are working for goons!

CCP ignores hulkageddon tears -> OMG CCP are working for goons!

CCP does damage control after an exploit -> OMG CCP are out to get goons!

No matter what you do (or don't do) someone is going to get buttmad. And this is why people think that CCP ignores the forums, because it's a monkey house in here.


Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Yeah its called Mechwarrior Online. Wheres he proof that they are BoB?
I WOULD like to see that paper trail. Unless of course it doesnt exist.
Perpetuum actually.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2705 - 2012-06-23 19:01:38 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

Yeah its called Mechwarrior Online. Wheres he proof that they are BoB?



Dunno about mech warrior, but they as far as I have seen in other mmos they seem to use the same names they had here. Unless it's goons trolling them.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#2706 - 2012-06-23 19:01:50 UTC
Wolodymyr wrote:
Wow 136 pages! This thread is amazing.

Also I'd just like to point out

CCP nerfs tracking titans -> OMG CCP are working for goons!

CCP nerfs wardeck allies -> OMG CCP are working for goons!

CCP ignores hulkageddon tears -> OMG CCP are working for goons!

CCP does damage control after an exploit -> OMG CCP are out to get goons!

No matter what you do (or don't do) someone is going to get buttmad. And this is why people think that CCP ignores the forums, because it's a monkey house in here.


Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Yeah its called Mechwarrior Online. Wheres he proof that they are BoB?
I WOULD like to see that paper trail. Unless of course it doesnt exist.
Perpetuum actually.


ccp is like fox news... fair and balanced

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2707 - 2012-06-23 19:04:04 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:


ccp is like fox news... fair and balanced



Really, if you get down to it though, tossing out the alliance mechanic, limiting the size of corps, and erasing 9 years of accumulated wealth and SP would, actually, make the game fair and balanced.
Wisdom Divine
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#2708 - 2012-06-23 19:07:57 UTC
Under the current system, the best CCP can hope for is to reduce the margin gain on market outliers. Jewbal did it at 81 ISK/LP, but even at 810 ISK/LP it's a profit.

The entire "let's base a reward system on player-determined market prices" idea ought to be scrapped. It's a shadow insurance system that messes up all of EVE.

And for what? There are other ways to reward for enemy militia kills, say, pocketing a chunk of their LPs.
Reptail
#2709 - 2012-06-23 19:13:09 UTC
this thread is now , why CCP makes our lives difficult instead of helping us

Eve it's a business c'mon, get it, we live here we die here ,

let's everyone profit with Eve

Ground Shiwer

LoveFromAbove
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2710 - 2012-06-23 19:14:21 UTC
Kuzim Blaky'all wrote:
Sup dawg!

dawgs use to say a dawg was causin' abuse
but stoppin a dawg, dig it, they was no use
but dig it dawg, re-re wasn't brakin' da law,
mi was jus recyclied, and gettin up a dawg craw
but ain no need for any but a reaper its tru,
jus always need to stop a bad dawg who get thru
an wreck up mi gig by bustin' mi boat
makin it hard for re-re jus to stay afloat,

but dig it dawg, mi always have a way to get thru,
you stop wi gig, yo messin' wit recyclien crew.
you stop mi from gettin mad stacks of cash,
yo gig is gonan end up tossed out wit da trash
let re-re live on, let a dawg get him goods
by lettin' mi posse into da filthy hoods
best be let mi pack gettin they a full rack
kuz if you mess wit kuzim him will always be back.

word dawg be safe.


kuzim blaky'all is back and spittin da truf
Dave stark
#2711 - 2012-06-23 19:14:44 UTC
136 pages of beating a dead horse.

why is it 136 pages long?
nobody has been banned, items have been seized to stop a market crash. move along.
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#2712 - 2012-06-23 19:15:23 UTC
Kuzim Blaky'all wrote:
Sup dawg!

dawgs use to say a dawg was causin' abuse
but stoppin a dawg, dig it, they was no use
but dig it dawg, re-re wasn't brakin' da law,
mi was jus recyclied, and gettin up a dawg craw
but ain no need for any but a reaper its tru,
jus always need to stop a bad dawg who get thru
an wreck up mi gig by bustin' mi boat
makin it hard for re-re jus to stay afloat,

but dig it dawg, mi always have a way to get thru,
you stop wi gig, yo messin' wit recyclien crew.
you stop mi from gettin mad stacks of cash,
yo gig is gonan end up tossed out wit da trash
let re-re live on, let a dawg get him goods
by lettin' mi posse into da filthy hoods
best be let mi pack gettin they a full rack
kuz if you mess wit kuzim him will always be back.

word dawg be safe.

Reptail
#2713 - 2012-06-23 19:16:36 UTC
keeps shooting at eve monument , (gotta go out soon btw ) :P

Ground Shiwer

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2714 - 2012-06-23 19:23:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:


ccp is like fox news... fair and balanced



Really, if you get down to it though, tossing out the alliance mechanic, limiting the size of corps, and erasing 9 years of accumulated wealth and SP would, actually, make the game fair and balanced.


"It would be fair and balanced if CCP would violate every guiding principle they have ever lived by in order to specifically screw over a group of people I don't like!"

Get a clue. And a life.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2715 - 2012-06-23 19:27:23 UTC
I'm up to $126.47 in my PayPal acct from playing the real money auction house in Diablo 3.

This has much more relevance to me than whining about pretend space money in a space combat simulator. If I'm going to grind, I might as well be working toward paying my rent for it.

Still....

It's always fun to read these threads, so keep on keepin' on.

Mr Epeen Cool
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#2716 - 2012-06-23 19:28:59 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I'm up to $126.47 in my PayPal acct from playing the real money auction house in Diablo 3.

This has much more relevance to me than whining about pretend space money in a space combat simulator. If I'm going to grind, I might as well be working toward paying my rent for it.

Still....

It's always fun to read these threads, so keep on keepin' on.

Mr Epeen Cool


I make that in a couple of hours at a job I actually do quite enjoy doing, so that I can then come home and have fun playing my games, so congratulations?

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#2717 - 2012-06-23 19:29:12 UTC
Wisdom Divine wrote:
The entire "let's base a reward system on player-determined market prices" idea ought to be scrapped. It's a shadow insurance system that messes up all of EVE.

First make the Faction Warfare LP store give out items that are unique and can't be bought from any LP store. That way the supply (and eventual market price) would be entirely based on how many people are doing FW.

Then make a fixed table of LP payouts per blown up ship type.

Rather than the current LP payout system which is vulnerable to this feedback loop where you can manipulate market prices to inflate LP rewards to get more isk to inflate market prices to boost LP rewards more. A fixed LP per ship payout would have a fixed LP income.

You'd still have free market influence from people selling LP store items unique to their factions LP store.

So for example let's say that the Amarr militia was doing poorly one week, not blowing up ships or taking sites. Then the supply of items from their LP store would slow down and prices would rise. This would encourage people to join the Amarr FW team, and reward Amarr victories more.

Then lets say the next week the Amarr were doing rather well and pumping LP. There would be more Amarr LP store items getting to the open market, which would lower the price.

Also if anyone decided to farm some alts by blowing up their ships they'd flood the market so much that prices would drop until they reached an equilibrium with whatever it would cost to buy ships to explode for LP. So let's say someone got 1000 LP for killing a drake and Drakes cost 60 mil. Then people would flood the market with LP items until 1000 LP worth of items cost less than 60 mil. And anyone who went out and got a real drake kill would make 60 million isk worth of LP. So the market prices of LP items would probably stabilize well under the breaking even point for blowing up ships on your alt for LP.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2718 - 2012-06-23 19:32:24 UTC
ITT Some clever bastards in GSF did some research and figured out how to manipulate the system in their favour, said goons preen, their detractors whine about them preening.

Meanwhile real world governments and commercial entities have staff do the same and eventually fail miserably, screwing everybody else in the process.

Go goons, if I were you I'd pimp these guys as consultants for real life shenanigans, as a whole you guys seem to be more successful in successfully gaming market systems than most financial institutes in the last few years.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Wu-Tian
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2719 - 2012-06-23 19:46:25 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.


The lost art of keeping a secret.
Annasys
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2720 - 2012-06-23 20:00:07 UTC
Burn New Eden.

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