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Aight I'm gonna step in here and say stop being dumb, because all you're doing is letting Jade be smug over making yet another goon look dumb.

Jade, like many other players, profited off of this when our actions got them close enough to Tier 5 that they realized they could get the rest of the way there with a trivial outlay. Tier 5 happened, lots of players, including Jade, bought stuff at a quarter of "base" cost. None of them can be said in any way to have exploited or anything, and in any case the Tier 5 incident happened a week ago, if I recall, long before we approached CCP.



The only thing you'll get Jade to talk about is that stupid wardec gimick, and how any day now he will finally produce the killmails of a thousand goons killed by his ~elite~ mercs.

But if Jade did profit off fw the same way the Jewbal did, then some over zealous asset confiscation is definitely in order.

IF that can be proven that they saw the leaked document - Can it be proven.

I just do not like Jade heh.

And that he/her profit was made before seeing the leaked doc, Now- can that be proven?

CCP reacted quickly and patched this out, but the damage was done (not that it really mattered since it would merely have delayed the inevitable); the cabal had our “seed” LP. From here on out, the next step was to manipulate the outcome of Faction Warfare to dictate the tier level of the Minmatar faction. In order to cash out our illicit LP, Minmatar had to keep tier 4. We bought them into the tier over and over, rebuying each time they lost it and dropped into T3; eventually, 2 mega purchases launched them into T5.

It’s worth noting that the entire time, the :shobon: coalition of the terrible roleplayers and various other pubbies comprising the Minmatar faction thought they were doing this on their own. They were oblivious to the fact they would jump 50-70 points in a single hour. To the extent that anyone noticed at all, they attributed it to their own skill, clapping each other on the back in militia chat while the cabal laughed at them for being too stupid to notice what was literally under their noses. This also applied to Amarr. On a lark one of us went one morning and fully upgraded all 13 Amarr systems to level 5. The next day this was repeated along with the 2 systems they won from the day before, allowing the Amarr faction to finally hit T2. Of course they immediately lost it.

With the gloating out of the way, we can move on to describing the actual hole in detail. Note that because this document has been posted, the specific mechanism by which this all works has been patched.


In Inferno, a mechanic was added to award Loyalty Points (LP) based on the value of the ship that was killed. Implants, ship value, cargo, etc. The formula is as follows:

Formula

The “cost” in this equation was CCP’s own metric, which you can see by opening your cargo window or your station hangars and looking in the bottom right of the window. Therein lies the heart of the break -- CCP’s item value calculation was very vulnerable to manipulation. If you picked the right item, loaded hundreds of thousands of them into a Badger, then blew it up in the context of Faction Warfare, you could generate as much LP as you want for practically no cost. As long as you did the math right, the result was foolproof.


The trick was to control the process. We enlisted dummy characters in opposite factions, loaded up valuable items into a hauler, murdered the haulers with each other’s alts, scooped the wrecks, and kept exploding the dropped stacks until none remained. We then converted the LP we’d been rewarded back into items from the FW store. Needless to say, some of the items in the LP store rewarded enough isk when sold on the market that the haulers’ mass assisted euthanasia was a profitable enterprise.


The original babby step was to use hydromagnetic datacores. Hydrocores had a CCP Value of 317,000 ISK (pay attention to this number, because it’s important). When we bought Minmatar into Tier 4, we were rewarded with a 50% reduction in both LP and ISK cost of our purchases from their loyalty store, so one datacore from the LP store at Tier 4 cost 25 LP and 25,000 isk. When the hauler with the datacore inside was duly murdered by our Minmatar loyalist, it rewarded the murderer with 63.5 LP. Blowing up datacores in this manner grossed enough LP to cash out into implants (at 2000 ISK/LP) to cover the isk portion of the cost of the datacore, while still netting excess LP in the process. Essentially, we were able to convert ISK to LP at the rate of 1390 ISK per LP, then immediately sell the produced LP for 1.5 times what we paid. This process of turning LP items into more LP was given the terrible name of “dubstepping” by Mynnna.

We initially used this to liquidate all of our highend mineral holdings and start printing isk. We netted tens of millions of LP worth tens of billions of ISK. However, a crucial patch to Eve nerfed us by making cargo that dropped not net any LP, seemingly wrecking the plan by cutting our LP rewards in half and making it unprofitable. Not discouraged, we went back to the drawing board.

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No we do this based on how fat you are. You get points though for being extra flatulent. So you can't just be fat alone.

No we do this based on how fat you are. You get points though for being extra flatulent. So you can't just be fat alone.

yer pro troll. very very pro. many big rewards shall be yours

No seriously, I worry for your mental health at this point. You seem to have a really loose grasp on reality. I don't like to repeat the obvious but seriously, you are a complete idiot.