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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2041 - 2012-06-23 04:15:53 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
So 900t to be able to name a system and its planets.





this was nowhere close to 900tn, it was "only" around 5tn

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2042 - 2012-06-23 04:17:59 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

WTF a Goon saying nice things???

*head explode*



Sadly, Paint's efforts to troll me clearly have more effect on others.

Personally, I think paint comes from the Planet Tryingtoohard.
Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2043 - 2012-06-23 04:22:21 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:

WTF a Goon saying nice things???

*head explode*



Sadly, Paint's efforts to troll me clearly have more effect on others.

Personally, I think paint comes from the Planet Tryingtoohard.


You ask for respect, I show it, I am in awe of your mad ninja skills. I am also in awe of your extremely large ****.

How is this trolling?

I just wish Goonswarm had corp names half as cool as the ones in your history. HELL, I wish I could have saved MC when Goonswarm failed them during the Bob Delve wars.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#2044 - 2012-06-23 04:23:01 UTC
5tn... hum... and yet we are nerfing data cores because it was too much isk. :\

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2045 - 2012-06-23 04:24:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Xython wrote:

You bragged about exploiting the wardec changes. You knew they were going to be fixed, including a "get out of responsibility free" card in your post -- claiming if they were fixed, it was cause supposedly cried to CCP. They were fixed. You claimed we cried to CCP. Evidence that we actually were looking forward to the foreverwar was ignored in lieu of the lie pubbies tell themselves so they can sleep at night.


You need to stop falsely accusing people of "exploitng". We did absolutely nothing with wardecs that was not discussed in the inferno 1.0 wardec devblog. Unfortunately your director's publicly welcomed the 1.1 "cooling off inferno" changes in the various threads - your allies in TEST also. So while I do appreciate you need to put on a big brave "come at me bro" face when discussing wardecs - the reality is a little less pugnacious.

Xython wrote:
Let it go. The game isn't fair in such a way that a 100 man alliance can fight off a 7000 man alliance. Nor is it designed to be unbalanced in such a way. And trying to bleat and moan until CCP somehow makes it "fair" like that is never going to happen, because that's stupid on a level that almost matches the stupidity of people who run 23 ice miner bot accounts at the same time.


So is it fair or unfair in favour of the largest alliances in the game that its going to be impossible for a defensive coalition to come close to matching the numbers an aggressor can bring to war for a nominal payment of 50m isk per week? I think you are mixing up definitions - is eve Fair (thus its unfair that small guys can fight back) or Unfair (but specially fair on the largest). I'm confused to be honest. I can't really decide whether eve is supposed to be "fair" or not. Or if its only supposed to be "fair" for some and "unfair" for others? Is "fairness" always something that benefits the largest? While "unfair" is what happens when the smaller defender finds a way to fight back?

Xython wrote:
If you want to fight Goonswarm like that, make your own alliance. Come visit VFK with 254 of your closest friends. We'll leave the light on for you.


Hey you wardecced us. Don't try and slither away now with all that "come and fight us in 0.0 guff" - I did my best to arrange a welcoming committe for the swarm in hisec so don't go yellow on me when the milk turns sour.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2046 - 2012-06-23 04:26:42 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
So 900t to be able to name a system and its planets.





this was nowhere close to 900tn, it was "only" around 5tn


It theoretically was an infinite money loop.

the real value is not important.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Xython
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2047 - 2012-06-23 04:28:33 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
So 900t to be able to name a system and its planets.





this was nowhere close to 900tn, it was "only" around 5tn


It theoretically was an infinite money loop.

the real value is not important.


Theoretically every action in the game is an infinite money loop. Lets not get ourselves worked up on "potential isk".
Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2048 - 2012-06-23 04:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Paint
RougeOperator wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
So 900t to be able to name a system and its planets.





this was nowhere close to 900tn, it was "only" around 5tn


It theoretically was an infinite money loop.

the real value is not important.


Ratting, Mission running and mining in high sec are infinite money loops. But hey as you claim the real money value is not important right?

Or maybe you are just a complete idiot.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2049 - 2012-06-23 04:31:11 UTC
To the Tune of Tomarrow Never Dies


GM I'm killed
I'm in a puddle in my pod
Waiting for you to return
oh, petitions a thrill,
Violations galore
the EULA, how you leave it to burn

[Chorus]

They're so deadly my dear
Their power of subscriptions you fear
Until that day,
Until EvE falls away
Until they say there'll be no more subscribe's
I see it in your eyes,
Goonswarm never dies

You know they've won
It's no fun
Veld, PvP, and Runs
It's murder on our love affair
you bet my life every night
While I'm chasing the wormhole light
Your not the only game out there

[Chorus]

Until That Day
Until EvE Falls Away
Until You Say There'll Be No More Subscribes
I See It In Your Eyes...

Until That Day
Until That Day
Until That Day
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#2050 - 2012-06-23 04:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Jade Constantine wrote:
Xython wrote:

You bragged about exploiting the wardec changes. You knew they were going to be fixed, including a "get out of responsibility free" card in your post -- claiming if they were fixed, it was cause supposedly cried to CCP. They were fixed. You claimed we cried to CCP. Evidence that we actually were looking forward to the foreverwar was ignored in lieu of the lie pubbies tell themselves so they can sleep at night.


You need to stop falsely accusing people of "exploitng". We did absolutely nothing with wardecs that was not discussed in the inferno 1.0 wardec devblog. Unfortunately your director's publicly welcomed the 1.1 "cooling off inferno" changes in the various threads - your allies in TEST also. So while I do appreciate you need to put on a big brave "come at me bro" face when discussing wardecs - the reality is a little less pugnacious.

Xython wrote:
Let it go. The game isn't fair in such a way that a 100 man alliance can fight off a 7000 man alliance. Nor is it designed to be unbalanced in such a way. And trying to bleat and moan until CCP somehow makes it "fair" like that is never going to happen, because that's stupid on a level that almost matches the stupidity of people who run 23 ice miner bot accounts at the same time.


So is it fair or unfair in favour of the largest alliances in the game that its going to be impossible for a defensive coalition to come close to matching the numbers an aggressor can bring to war for a nominal payment of 50m isk per week? I think you are mixing up definitions - is eve Fair (thus its unfair that small guys can fight back) or Unfair (but specially fair on the largest). I'm confused to be honest. I can't really decide whether eve is supposed to be "fair" or not. Or if its only supposed to be "fair" for some and "unfair" for others? Is "fairness" always something that benefits the largest? While "unfair" is what happens when the smaller defender finds a way to fight back?

Xython wrote:
If you want to fight Goonswarm like that, make your own alliance. Come visit VFK with 254 of your closest friends. We'll leave the light on for you.


Hey you wardecced us. Don't try and slither away now with all that "come and fight us in 0.0 guff" - I did my best to arrange a welcoming committe for the swarm in hisec so don't go yellow on me when the milk turns sour.


Can we leave this discussion out of this thread, please?

That goes for all you goons posting about it too, tia.

RougeOperator wrote:

It theoretically was an infinite money loop.

the real value is not important.

Theoretically, perhaps. In practice, it was dependent on items which we would have inevitably crashed, even if we had carefully hidden it and milked it for months/years. Infinite supply, finite demand, what does that do to price again?

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2051 - 2012-06-23 04:38:22 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


If you did that I might be able to convince CCP soundwave to revert the wardec changes to 1.0 (or better yet) actually produce a decent compromise on the 1.1 fix that didn't massively disadvantage smaller alliances fighting much larger aggressors with the aid of hisec allies.


Well, if you wouldn't "hire" any three person corp, with people barely able to press F1, onto your little wardec, you might find that actually hiring competent mercs might prove useful.


Hardly. The guys I've allowed into the wardec currently are kicking the goons into next year.
Why the heck would I pay "competant" mercs a penny when the goons themselves only pay 50m a week?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2052 - 2012-06-23 04:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Paint
Jade Constantine wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


If you did that I might be able to convince CCP soundwave to revert the wardec changes to 1.0 (or better yet) actually produce a decent compromise on the 1.1 fix that didn't massively disadvantage smaller alliances fighting much larger aggressors with the aid of hisec allies.


Well, if you wouldn't "hire" any three person corp, with people barely able to press F1, onto your little wardec, you might find that actually hiring competent mercs might prove useful.


Hardly. The guys I've allowed into the wardec currently are kicking the goons into next year.
Why the heck would I pay "competant" mercs a penny when the goons themselves only pay 50m a week?




I am just curious - where can I see the killboard for this war and why haven't I seen you ever at vfk?

To be clear I want to compare it to our other endeavors because unlike you, goonswarm is not afraid to lose a lot of ships to proove a point and, ultimately, win. But you are obviously too stupid to pick up on that.

edit - a very quick look at http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=7743&m=6&y=2012 shows little or no goon kills. Yep you sure are owning us all right.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2053 - 2012-06-23 04:40:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Shameless Avenger wrote:
5tn... hum... and yet we are nerfing data cores because it was too much isk. :\


no because it was passive (unlike moon goo)

Jade Constantine wrote:


So is it fair or unfair in favour of the largest alliances in the game that its going to be impossible for a defensive coalition to come close to matching the numbers an aggressor can bring to war for a nominal payment of 50m isk per week? I think you are mixing up definitions - is eve Fair (thus its unfair that small guys can fight back) or Unfair (but specially fair on the largest). I'm confused to be honest. I can't really decide whether eve is supposed to be "fair" or not. Or if its only supposed to be "fair" for some and "unfair" for others? Is "fairness" always something that benefits the largest? While "unfair" is what happens when the smaller defender finds a way to fight back?



Dammit I said that like 60 pages back lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#2054 - 2012-06-23 04:41:53 UTC
Paint wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
So 900t to be able to name a system and its planets.





this was nowhere close to 900tn, it was "only" around 5tn


It theoretically was an infinite money loop.

the real value is not important.


Ratting, Mission running and mining in high sec are infinite money loops. But hey as you claim the real money is not important right?

Or maybe you are just a complete idiot.


We can't really compare Ratting or Mission Running to this issue. Bringing a freighter full of zydrine to a lvl 4 mission doesn't increase the LPs gained on the mission.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"

Powers Sa
#2055 - 2012-06-23 04:43:06 UTC
Both of the 100page controversy threads are about goonswarm :V

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#2056 - 2012-06-23 04:49:17 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
Both of the 100page controversy threads are about goonswarm :V



You expected something else? You guys really need to hire a PR consultant.
Paint
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2057 - 2012-06-23 04:50:27 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Powers Sa wrote:
Both of the 100page controversy threads are about goonswarm :V



You expected something else? You guys really need to hire a PR consultant.



Are you available?
ModeratedToSilence
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2058 - 2012-06-23 04:50:28 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Powers Sa wrote:
Both of the 100page controversy threads are about goonswarm :V



You expected something else? You guys really need to hire a PR consultant.


Any publicity is good publicity.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#2059 - 2012-06-23 04:53:44 UTC
Paint wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


If you did that I might be able to convince CCP soundwave to revert the wardec changes to 1.0 (or better yet) actually produce a decent compromise on the 1.1 fix that didn't massively disadvantage smaller alliances fighting much larger aggressors with the aid of hisec allies.


Well, if you wouldn't "hire" any three person corp, with people barely able to press F1, onto your little wardec, you might find that actually hiring competent mercs might prove useful.


Hardly. The guys I've allowed into the wardec currently are kicking the goons into next year.
Why the heck would I pay "competant" mercs a penny when the goons themselves only pay 50m a week?




I am just curious - where can I see the killboard for this war and why haven't I seen you ever at vfk?

To be clear I want to compare it to our other endeavors because unlike you, goonswarm is not afraid to lose a lot of ships to proove a point and, ultimately, win. But you are obviously too stupid to pick up on that.

edit - a very quick look at http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=7743&m=6&y=2012 shows little or no goon kills. Yep you sure are owning us all right.


Pretty much putting a bag over your heads and kicking your alliance down the stairs currently.

The Killboard is ingame and anyone can see it by searching for the "Goonswarm Federation vs The Star Fraction" war on the wars browser. Current situation is very much in our favour as you will see. Unfortunately CCP have decided to nerf defensive wardecs with the 1.1 patch so our allied coalition is unsustainable. By strange coincidence it will cost the princely sum of 5 Trillion ISK every 2 weeks if we wanted to continue the war on this scale.

As for why we haven't visited you in VFK. Well thats pretty straightforward. You WARDECCED US! That means you have to do the work and come and hunt your enemies not sit on your lazy moon-goo-sucking backsides like some kinda of Jabba-the-hutt crimelords while we come to you!

Good heavens, you chaps really don't understand this whole war thing.


The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#2060 - 2012-06-23 04:55:38 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Powers Sa wrote:
Both of the 100page controversy threads are about goonswarm :V



You expected something else? You guys really need to hire a PR consultant.


http://www.reputation.com/

saw a commercial for these guys. Apparently mittens actually DOES need their services, or did when googling his name = cyberbullying cause we all know cyberbully = child molester

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.