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Where is the CSM? Do they support the sandbox or not?

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Majuan Shuo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-06-23 03:28:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Majuan Shuo
masternerdguy wrote:
Tacyon wrote:
freedom of speech (sandbox) does not include yelling fire in a movie theater is what I'm thinking.

Not that difficult of a concept unless you're the one wanting to yell fire just because you can.


In a sandbox game "Because I CAN" is a perfect justification to do something.



Wrong, just because you can does not mean you should/are allowed.

Case in point abusing any loophole that allows you to escape concord when you earned a concodonk is an exploit, and is treated as such.

Saying its not a fair comparison stupid, any exploitation of an unintended effect to upset balance and gain a gross advantage is against the EULA.

Mother. ****.

Still, god bless the Goons - they do a better job at finding glaring issues in EVE than CCP does...

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-06-23 03:51:00 UTC
With the CSM chairman in exile after the sockpuppet alliance attempted to assassinate the nascent CCP/Sony Alliance via the media and "concerned emails" to Sony marketing teams, the new, weakened CSM are hesitant to step forward and provide any leadership.

But worry not, Spacefriends: The Mittani, Emperor of Space, Dear Leader and CSM Chairman for Life (in Exile) will be making a statement shortly through a PCGamer interview. No doubt we will be smugly crossposting it on the forums as well.

I suspect this venue -- an interview with PCGamer rather than a post or column -- was specifically chosen to slap the dark reporter wot works for Massively in the face; a fitting punishment given how hard he has tried to harm the EVE we all love. Now, in order to report on it, he will actually have to cite true journalists and link PCGamer, rather than picking and choosing choice facts out of context and spinning it in a pro-Themepark, anti-EVE light.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-06-23 03:52:14 UTC
Majuan Shuo wrote:
Case in point abusing any loophole that allows you to escape concord when you earned a concodonk is an exploit, and is treated as such.

Saying its not a fair comparison stupid, any exploitation of an unintended effect to upset balance and gain a gross advantage is against the EULA.


So your stance is market manipulation and social engineering, or just plain doing your homework and being better at the game than other people, is an exploit.

Good to know?
Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-06-23 04:05:14 UTC
merchi slanging sense to the denizens of eve o

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Majuan Shuo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2012-06-23 04:07:03 UTC
Xython wrote:
Majuan Shuo wrote:
Case in point abusing any loophole that allows you to escape concord when you earned a concodonk is an exploit, and is treated as such.

Saying its not a fair comparison stupid, any exploitation of an unintended effect to upset balance and gain a gross advantage is against the EULA.


So your stance is market manipulation and social engineering, or just plain doing your homework and being better at the game than other people, is an exploit.

Good to know?



litmus test: if CCP did not intend it, it can be considered an exploit

dont compare regular market manipulation to the endless isk machine exploit goons found

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-06-23 04:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Majuan Shuo wrote:
Xython wrote:
Majuan Shuo wrote:
Case in point abusing any loophole that allows you to escape concord when you earned a concodonk is an exploit, and is treated as such.

Saying its not a fair comparison stupid, any exploitation of an unintended effect to upset balance and gain a gross advantage is against the EULA.


So your stance is market manipulation and social engineering, or just plain doing your homework and being better at the game than other people, is an exploit.

Good to know?



litmus test: if CCP did not intend it, it can be considered an exploit

dont compare regular market manipulation to the endless isk machine exploit goons found


Except ISK was in no way generated via the -----Edit-----. All money came from other players. In fact, money was destroyed from the system due to FW donations and the like.

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ISD Tyrozan
Ensign
Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#27 - 2012-06-23 04:29:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
The logs, they show nothing

Kiteo Hatto wrote:


People who have been pushing/testing the limit of this "sandbox" might have finally hit the wall with their little sandbox shovel and now the people who build the wooded walls are telling the kids that you can't take the sand over the said wooden line.


Thought thats what the 30 day ban was about?

or the BoB situation, they proffitted from the T2 BPOs and all that happened to them was they lost a player and the BPOs and the guy who turned it in was permabanned and was on the word filter for the next six years

This isnt really news

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-06-23 04:36:52 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
The logs, they show nothing

Kiteo Hatto wrote:


People who have been pushing/testing the limit of this "sandbox" might have finally hit the wall with their little sandbox shovel and now the people who build the wooded walls are telling the kids that you can't take the sand over the said wooden line.


Thought thats what the 30 day ban was about?


There is that but there is a process of "investigation" and "asset freeze" before that. If anything, people will realize the borders now. Maybe they will get off with a slap on the wrist from ccp this time since they notified the devs at least.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#29 - 2012-06-23 04:38:45 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
The logs, they show nothing

Kiteo Hatto wrote:


People who have been pushing/testing the limit of this "sandbox" might have finally hit the wall with their little sandbox shovel and now the people who build the wooded walls are telling the kids that you can't take the sand over the said wooden line.


Thought thats what the 30 day ban was about?


There is that but there is a process of "investigation" and "asset freeze" before that. If anything, people will realize the borders now. Maybe they will get off with a slap on the wrist from ccp this time since they notified the devs at least.



Hey tho; nice to know that if you find an exploit and massively get rich off it then ppl expose what you did you wont get in trouble. Really provides us with a reason to put in those bug reports huh?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-06-23 04:43:22 UTC
Majuan Shuo wrote:


litmus test: if CCP did not intend it, it can be considered an exploit



Titans doomsdaying cruiser hulls with Crucible release
Hikes in PI level 1 item prices with Tyrannis release
Creation of the Technetium bottleneck with Dominion release

none of these were deemed to be exploits.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#31 - 2012-06-23 04:44:18 UTC
blowing up your own assets for monetary gain has a precedent of not being an exploit, see self destructing ships for insurance profits a while back. and no, I don't have any direct monetary connection to FW.

Incindir Mauser wrote:
It's one thing to play in the sandbox.

It's another to let the kids run around and stab each other with scissors.

Someone is going to lose an eye eventually.

they both entered the sand box of their own free will. whatever happens happens! deal with it!

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-06-23 04:47:29 UTC
Quote:
Hey tho; nice to know that if you find an exploit and massively get rich off it then ppl expose what you did you wont get in trouble. Really provides us with a reason to put in those bug reports huh?


Exploit is still an exploit, it only makes the punishment slightly lighter. Its only lighter because the culprits told devs themselves beforehand. Bans would be flying left and right if they didn't.

It wouldn't be such a massive exploit if people didn't look into loopholes on purpose because of boredom.
CCP didn't think it anyone could pull it off(you need large amount of coordination and isk tbh), but now they know that its possible(at least for goons, the people who play Loophole Online). Not surprising if they will now put "safeguards" in place so such easy "isk printing" can not be possible.
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-23 04:47:37 UTC
Yes and insurance fraud of hulls is another example of something unintended by developers that a creative player discovered.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#34 - 2012-06-23 04:50:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
blowing up your own assets for monetary gain has a precedent of not being an exploit, see self destructing ships for insurance profits a while back. and no, I don't have any direct monetary connection to FW.

Incindir Mauser wrote:
It's one thing to play in the sandbox.

It's another to let the kids run around and stab each other with scissors.

Someone is going to lose an eye eventually.

they both entered the sand box of their own free will. whatever happens happens! deal with it!


Im rather surprised the Goons themselves arent in here going "sandbox, deal with it"

Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Quote:
Hey tho; nice to know that if you find an exploit and massively get rich off it then ppl expose what you did you wont get in trouble. Really provides us with a reason to put in those bug reports huh?


Exploit is still an exploit, it only makes the punishment slightly lighter. Its only lighter because the culprits told devs themselves beforehand. Bans would be flying left and right if they didn't.

It wouldn't be such a massive exploit if people didn't look into loopholes on purpose because of boredom.
CCP didn't think it anyone could pull it off(you need large amount of coordination and isk tbh), but now they know that its possible(at least for goons, the people who play Loophole Online). Not surprising if they will now put "safeguards" in place so such easy "isk printing" can not be possible.


lol so yeah had BoB just told CCP about T20 (cause that totally happens) the EXACT SAME THING as happened would have happened....
Minus Kugu getting banned and being filtered for six years lol

but yeah, no matter how long you DO the exploit, as long as you tell them you dont get punished? Again... great motivation for those bug reports

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-06-23 04:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
^Probably too busy filing and escalating petitions saying "i wasn't aware of dis!1!!1!" and "unfreeze mah isk plz or i unsub my 10 accounts", "u havent defined ur rulez ccp", "i thot dis game was sandbox"
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#36 - 2012-06-23 04:54:11 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
^Probably too busy filing and escalating petitions saying "i wasn't aware of dis!1!!1!" and "unfreeze mah isk plz or i unsub my 10 accounts"


No, too busy writing forum replies lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-06-23 04:56:57 UTC
For once i wish to be in a customer support department just to read all the juicy petitions. It must be like the GD whine but you get to see their real side.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#38 - 2012-06-23 04:59:58 UTC
Meh... I've been here long enough to have an idea of what the CSM & CCP are going to do. What I want to know is what Sony is going to do. That's a little more difficult to predict since we don't really know the finals details on how much control can EVE Trillionaires will have over Dust players. Any theories?

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-23 05:03:38 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Meh... I've been here long enough to have an idea of what the CSM & CCP are going to do. What I want to know is what Sony is going to do. That's a little more difficult to predict since we don't really know the finals details on how much control can EVE Trillionaires will have over Dust players. Any theories?


Probably use hollow shells filled with isk instead of dangerous materials for orbital strikes, if things get bad enough(on the oh so cold and harsh "grief") side then we'll have npc bots firin' off orbital strikes when dust guys command them to.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#40 - 2012-06-23 05:03:44 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Meh... I've been here long enough to have an idea of what the CSM & CCP are going to do. What I want to know is what Sony is going to do. That's a little more difficult to predict since we don't really know the finals details on how much control can EVE Trillionaires will have over Dust players. Any theories?


What are the CSM and CCP trying to do then?

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.