These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE Fiction

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Quick Done To Death Question?

Author
Nara Imperium
The Back Yard
#1 - 2012-06-21 00:31:01 UTC
Okay, so I've read the threads and the EvElopedia stuff and still a little confused.

From what I understand ships are controlled by both a capsule pilot in his capsule and a crew. Is it like the pilot is locked in his capsule and is he able to get out and walk around on stations and the ground? And does he/she give the orders to the crew or the crew control the parts of the ship that the capsule pilot can not or is it a shared process?

And Im guessing that drones are AI controlled?

Sorry, I know it is done to death Im just trying to figure it out.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-06-21 01:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Esna Pitoojee
Nara Imperium wrote:
Okay, so I've read the threads and the EvElopedia stuff and still a little confused.

From what I understand ships are controlled by both a capsule pilot in his capsule and a crew.


Correct. The capsuleer only replaces the bridge crew, i.e., the crew specifically responsible for relaying information from other portions of the ship to the captain, and then relaying the captain's orders to other portions of the ship.The remaining crew primarily concerns themselves with maintenance, upkeep, and mid-battle damage control.

Quote:
Is it like the pilot is locked in his capsule and is he able to get out and walk around on stations and the ground?


Yes, when docked in any given station a capsuleer can easily leave (or 'decant') from his capsule and walk around in the station, or take a transport planetside. An overview of this kind of interaction can be found in this evelopedia article, but one constant to keep in mind is that a capsuleer is fantastically rich compared to many of those he will meet in a station: 10,000 ISK is the rough equivalent of the savings a family may accrue in the entire lifetime of a given family member.

Ships equipped to extract the capsule and allow the capsuleer to leave his pod while still onboard the ship are referred to as "Cross-capsule variant" ships; these are post-market modifications and extremely rare, not to mention difficult to do on any smaller hull.

Quote:
And does he/she give the orders to the crew or the crew control the parts of the ship that the capsule pilot can not or is it a shared process?

The capsuleer directly controls the various components of the ship, which means the process occurs much more quickly than if it was by human interaction. This is one of the primary advantages a capsuleer has over a traditionally-helmed ship: Normally, a sensor officer would read his sensors, identify a threat, say "Captain, asteroids at X position ahead of us present a navigational risk"; the captain then says "Navigation, adjust heading by X amount to avoid them, and the helmsman/navigational officer would then adjust the course. In the time this has happened, the capsuleer would have noted the threat, adjusted the course, run a local scan, and shot off a communication to his buddy nearby.

Another important thing to note is that on small frigates, nearly all of the crew may be 'bridge crew', meaning the capsuleer may replace nearly (if not entirely) all the normal crew.

Quote:
And Im guessing that drones are AI controlled?


It has never been definitively stated, but yes, it would appear that the drones are controlled by some form of onboard AI. Fighters an Fighter-bombers have small numbers (1-2) of human crew aboard; these can actually be seen if you look carefully at the model.

It is important to note that if drones sometimes seem unintelligent, that's because they are: Learning, adaptive drones have been banned by CONCORD after early experiments with them accidentally produced the Rogue Drone threat.

Quote:
Sorry, I know it is done to death Im just trying to figure it out.


No worries - EVE's lore is huge, deep, and amazingly complex. We all have questions at first!
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#3 - 2012-06-21 14:22:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Esna Pitoojee wrote:
10,000 ISK is the rough equivalent of the savings a family may accrue in the entire lifetime of a given family member.

"Cross-capsule variant" ships; these are post-market modifications and extremely rare, not to mention difficult to do on any smaller hull.

Another important thing to note is that on small frigates, nearly all of the crew may be 'bridge crew', meaning the capsuleer may replace nearly (if not entirely) all the normal crew.

I quote these first two parts because I have not seen any official source that confirms these "facts". If you can link me to any, please do so.

In the case of the frigate crews, I would like to add that the replacing of (nearly) all the crew is only possible for the skeleton crew (unfitted ships).
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#4 - 2012-06-22 10:16:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
Che Biko wrote:

I quote these first two parts because I have not seen any official source that confirms these "facts". If you can link me to any, please do so.

In the case of the frigate crews, I would like to add that the replacing of (nearly) all the crew is only possible for the skeleton crew (unfitted ships).


http://www.eveonline.com/creations/fiction/khadrea/ Perhaps the most recent, presumably canon statement on relation of ISK to System or planet currency.

Quote:
“I know the tribe’s agent was going to pay you, but I’ll throw in six million Amamake credits to make it worth your while. How does that sound?”

“At current exchange rates, that’s about 3,600 ISK,” the capsuleer responded dryly.


As for the frigate crew complement, there's this; http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Frigates#Physical_Features

And this fairly old chronicle, "the war drones on"
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#5 - 2012-06-22 17:08:19 UTC
Unfortunatly, I know even less about the valua of Amamake credits than I do about the value of ISK.

The wiki page seems to be a mistake that I will correct, and the chronicle is about a time that was about a century in the past.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#6 - 2012-06-22 17:23:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Che Biko wrote:
Unfortunatly, I know even less about the valua of Amamake credits than I do about the value of ISK.

The wiki page seems to be a mistake that I will correct, and the chronicle is about a time that was about a century in the past.


There's an old news article about the value of ISK. I think someone linked it recently on this forum, but it might've been on backstage. I'll go look.

EDIT: Found it. The relevant portion is quoted below:
Quote:
The fitting of the newly acquired Nyx could understatedly be described as “expensive”; a very rough estimate of the value of the ship itself and its excruciatingly rare fittings places it in the region of 45 to 60 billion isk. To put this in perspective, an average family living on a planet might, in the course of a lifetime, accrue savings of about 10,000 isk.


Also, here's another article that doesn't give any explicit numbers but is still relevant.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#7 - 2012-06-22 17:46:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Teinyhr
Che Biko wrote:
Unfortunatly, I know even less about the valua of Amamake credits than I do about the value of ISK.

The wiki page seems to be a mistake that I will correct, and the chronicle is about a time that was about a century in the past.


So basicly I provided you with the links you requested from official sources and you just ignore them? Okay, sure.

Think the Amamake credits are equivalent of earth currency, say, perhaps two to three times as valuable as the USD? The whole point anyway is, millions of planetary or solar system currency is almost nothing in ISK.

Also, if they could make frigates crewed by one person (pod pilot) over a hundred years in the past, then why not today? I don't see your logic, you'd think advances in AI technology and pod technology especially would make it even more practical today. Not that I'm against frigates being crewed by more people, just, prime fiction says it is possible to have combat efficient frigate hulls crewed with just the "egger."
Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#8 - 2012-06-22 18:20:42 UTC
The chronicles are official, but the frigates mentioned might be little more than upgraded fighters, as I read it. The point is, ships have certainly changed since then.
IRL there are ships with thousands of people on board now, while a couple hundred years ago, that was not possible.

Either way, to my knowledge, the New Eden crew guidelines are still the most recent official publication on the matter, apart from some discussion on survival rates, and no apparent misinterpretation of those guidelines by a wiki-worker is going to make the frigate page more official.

About the currency:
Teinyhr: You offer no official source for your assumption. Amamake credits could be worth 3,600 Matari Credits, for all I know. On earth there are also currencies which are in a 30000:1 rating with others. You can say that they are worth 3 times as much as the USD, but for I know they have the value of Weimar republic Marks.
Morwen: Thanks, I had forgotten about that one.
I have to say though, that an avarage is likely severely reduced by large amount of people barely making enough to sustain themselves. On earth a lot of people earn <1 USD a year.
I think that for someone with wealth comparable to western middle class, 10,000 ISK may well be only a year salary. Keep in mind that even rookie capsuleers are very rich compared to that figure, as they can earn several millions in a few weeks easily.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2012-06-22 21:45:41 UTC
Che -

I think the "capsuleer replaces (nearly) all the crew in frigates" claim is primarily sourced from the early ship blueprints, which often had a crew of 1-3 listed for various frigates. Whether or not these are still canon in light of the crew guidelines is unclear, admittedly, but I've yet to see CCP outright state this is false despite how often it gets thrown around.
Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
#10 - 2012-06-22 22:16:20 UTC
Frigates mostly only have the pod afaik. However the Kestrel has a few crew on board for whatever reason. Frigates would not have been fighters as they are about equal to a 747-400 in size.

Even battleships are highly automated though when you look at some random data and see crew quotes, an EVE battleship has comparable crew numbers to an Iowa Class from the WW2 era of usage of the hull. so for ships that reach kilometers in length 5-7k crew is actually pretty good.

EVE is like swimming on a beach in shark infested waters,  There is however a catch...  The EVE Beach you also have to wonder which fellow swimmer will try and eat you before the sharks.

David Toviyah
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-06-24 18:58:22 UTC
So the cast in “Clear Skies” has no capsuleers then?
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2012-06-24 21:20:19 UTC
Clear Skies is not an accurate depiction of a capsuleer's life, no. It's a pop culture film; perhaps the best analogy is that Clear Skies is to the actual capsuleer's life what the "Transformers" movies were to actual military operations.