EVE General Discussion

I think if you can use game mechanics to convince null sec players to PvE in high sec despite hating it, you can convince them to stop PvEing in high sec quite easily.

We had this discusion before ,while i respect your opinion i have a complete different view
Industry in this game is a essential part of this game and competition from all the way down , mining till transporting and selling you products can be just as nasty and cutthroat like blowing up ships, so in my opinion industry is just another form of pvp
If you can not see this i suggest yoy go and play a arcade game
My problem with null sec is that it is stagnant because like i said before any change that even remotely has the chance oftearing down that pretty carevearish safe sandcastle is outright rejected by yhe nullsec alliances so nothing ever happens
So next time you start whinning about highsec carebears , look in the mirror first

Ok just for the sake of further clarification, and in response to some of you who have told me I am wrong about high sec dwellers, I am not wrong. Yes, there are indeed people who can and do change their minds about moving to low or null security space but that is only because they were already inclined to do so.

I would suggest that the majority of high sec dwellers live there because that is where they feel most comfortable, and no amount of nerfing, cajoling or outright hostility will change that fact. A lot of people make the same common mistakes when thinking or talking about high sec dwellers. People seem to be under the impression that high sec dwellers either lack the information needed to convince them to move out of high security space, or that they are too cowardly to do so.

Presumptuous ideas like these are one of the main causes of friction between the different sections of the EVE community. Now I'm not going to sit here and say it is all one sided, as that would be inaccurate, but the majority of posts and threads complaining about this subject appear to come from low or null sec citizens who feel that the area they live in is somehow the "end game" for EVE and that anyone who does not seek to attain this lofty position is somehow flawed.

The only time you really see a large amount of complaints from high sec dwellers, is when they feel that their play styles and choices are being heavily impinged upon by other groups. Now I know people will instantly assume I mean Hulkageddon, Burn Jita and other such events, but for the most part high sec dwellers either aren't affected by them, or find ways around it. What I am talking about is threads like this, where people from outside of that area try to press CCP in to making radical changes to another section of the game, because it does not suit THEIR needs, without once considering WHY high sec dwellers live where they do.

There are really only two effective ways to ensure that those in low and null security space achieve their goal of having increased numbers. Firstly the marketing for EVE could be tweaked to appeal less to those groups who prefer PvE and the illusion of safety, and more to those who naturally seek out confrontation. The second way would be to make low and null security space more appealing, this could be done with changes to game mechanics, the introduction of new content, or maybe even an expansion of existing space.

Unless or until people realise these facts, we are going to be stuck with the situation we have at present, with one group blaming another for something that is quite literally out of their hands.

If the only way to make 40m+/hour was in nullsec or lowsec, then yes, some would go there to make isk instead of continuing to milk the L4s. I, for one, would probably do so, even though it would take more effort and risk


I'm not making that into a bad word, you are. You're assigning connotations and meaning behind the word which isn't there.


40m/h reliably, risk-free isn't "nerfed to death".


Why should I gimp myself when the game mechanics makes it ******** to do so? Do you think I'm some holistic idiot?

It's also more or less uninterruptible in 0.0, where if nobody neut shows up (usually the case except a pair of times per day) you can also reap massively greater rewards (459M for an hi sec CNR BPC vs 925M Machariel BPC). And the CNR BPC costs 100k more LP (20% more) and 100M more ISK (100% more).

In sov nullsec it's so viable that people can grind NPCs in capital ships, which are not exactly known for their insane agility and escapism to ganks.

If this was the case why would this thread exist? How can you say they don't care when care enough to repond in threads like this. If they just wanted to be safe then making 2 mil an hour would be perfectly acceptable to them. Your argument is so illogical it boggles the mind.

You just forget to mention the hypocrital truths:

1) Making that 1B back takes much less.

2) PvP ships are reimbursed anyway, so you don't risk losing any ISK for doing the real risky 0.0 activity.
So, you just PvE to make additional cash, not cash desperately needed for PvP like it's usually left to intend.


Getting non PvP ships killed over there is so hard that RMT botters rat there.
Getting non PvP ships killed over there is hard enough that some of our most ridicolous kills were people auto-piloting Hulks full of blueprints. Now let me know where in hi sec you can be so stupid to autopilot an Hulk at all and even more, full of blueprints.

Bad word thing wasnt me, was in the quoted part ??

I won't answer the last question


Tal

Yeah, I know why you don't want to answer that, because to answer that would be to answer the question "why aren't more people ratting in null?"

This 1000 times over.

This is why people complain when CCp Nerf.

"most" incursion runners were not making 2 billion a day.
"most" faction runners aren't making 2 billion a day.
"most" wormhole people don't make 2 billion a day.
"most" Drake users don't run in 800 man blobs

Most Null sec people don't have trillions a month in tech ISK
But those are the bar CCP use to claim the demand for a nerf.