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Taranis > Enyo?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-05 21:57:37 UTC
It seems that for the role of blaster frigate, the taranis is preferred to the enyo by most. I have no experience with either and wondered why. I can fly the Enyo now, but it is worth it to go back for the taranis instead?
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-05 22:11:53 UTC
I thought it was because the 'ranis actually has the speed to get into (small) blaster range, or (perhaps more importantly) to stay at range, combined with the 2 light drones it can carry (as opposed to the enyo's 1) was the reason.
Goose99
#3 - 2011-10-05 22:29:37 UTC
Wylee Coyote wrote:
I thought it was because the 'ranis actually has the speed to get into (small) blaster range, or (perhaps more importantly) to stay at range, combined with the 2 light drones it can carry (as opposed to the enyo's 1) was the reason.


^pretty much the reason interceptors are more popular than af as a whole.

Personally I never fly taranis, but use ares instead, the reverse of most people. When i fly interceptor, all I do was tackling. For shooting stuff, I fly something else... not af though.P
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2011-10-05 23:28:37 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
I thought it was because the 'ranis actually has the speed to get into (small) blaster range, or (perhaps more importantly) to stay at range, combined with the 2 light drones it can carry (as opposed to the enyo's 1) was the reason.


^pretty much the reason interceptors are more popular than af as a whole.

Personally I never fly taranis, but use ares instead, the reverse of most people. When i fly interceptor, all I do was tackling. For shooting stuff, I fly something else... not af though.P


Well, there are some AFs that are quite good, Ishkur, Wolf, and Jag all come to mind. Enyo isn't one of them though.
Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-06 00:20:30 UTC
Overall the Taranis can put out comparable dps, and control range more effectively than an enyo. The key part is the range control. While the Enyo has more EHP at the frigate class the difference is usually 1 volley versus 2. The greater speed and agility of the taranis makes it able to speed tank more effectively. This coupled with the extra midslot for either dual propulsion mods or prop and web combo gives it even more range and tackle control compared to the enyo's 2 slots.

Of course assault frigates are on the table for the winter expansion, plus hybrid turret rebalancing so the capabilities of these two ships could change
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-06 00:39:08 UTC
In a frigate vs frigate fight the enyo isn't actually too bad. People have this misconception that it has no range but if you load neutrons + null it actually has a better range profile than most small autocannons.

The taranis is more versatile, makes a better tackler and is better able to escape camps and pick fights. Although these days it's dramiels online so you might have to fly an AF if you want to actually get kills.
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-06 01:57:42 UTC
Good day:

For solo work, I've found if you fly what other people think is equal or less than what they fly they will engage you; or not run when you try to engage them. Conversely, if you fly what others think might kill them, you get less fights because they avoid you or run.

A lot of t1 frigate pilots will avoid assault frigates (of which the Enyo is one) while thinking that an interceptor... well, is at least a fair fight or in their favor.

Add the fact you have popular blogs like Rifter Drifter, Lady Shaquina, and the like talk about how they used a Rifter (or other t1 frigates) to kill this interceptor and that interceptor, you end up with a lot of Rifter and other t1 frigate pilots thinking the Taranis and other similar (shhhh combat) interceptors are thrash compared to what they are flying.

Now, if that was not enough, a lot of pilots think that once they get the target into structure, they are winning... especially if the target hits structure sooner than they hit structure.

If you've practiced a lot with your Taranis, that means you will win most 1v1 engagements given the above... misconceptions their ship is better than your ship, higher ego (look how easy it is supposed to be), and WOW (the Taranis is in structure, and I've still got armor left) are all in your favor.

All in all the Enyo is a good ship; but for me, I want fights... so if I solo, I'll fly the Taranis.

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Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#8 - 2011-10-07 10:50:52 UTC
Enyo is actually better than people think - Wensley has some info on his blog:

http://www.rifterdrifter.com/

T2 Hybrid rigs are dirt cheap (from as little as 1.7 mil, rediculous) and with even 1%-3% implants does a obscene amount of damage. The enyo is pretty decent. Most people don't fly Gallente, so it's all hear say about how bad some of the ships are. They just parrot what they hear on forums.
KFenn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-10-07 12:32:17 UTC
Smabs wrote:
In a frigate vs frigate fight the enyo isn't actually too bad. People have this misconception that it has no range but if you load neutrons + null it actually has a better range profile than most small autocannons.


But you get ****-poor tracking, meaning any AB ship is near-impossible to hit. The Enyo needs a web not just for range control. The Enyo excels at fighting bigger ships because of the awesome DPS, but it has a hard time hitting other frigates.

The 'ranis is popular because
- It's fast
- It has a great slot layout for either a close-range Blasterboat or a Mid-range rail kiter
- It has massive structure hit points (for a frigate), meaning the only real tank you need is a DCII
- It deals fantastic DPS with blasters and 2 drones
- It's cheap and throwaway

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Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#10 - 2011-10-07 12:48:20 UTC
KFenn wrote:
Smabs wrote:
In a frigate vs frigate fight the enyo isn't actually too bad. People have this misconception that it has no range but if you load neutrons + null it actually has a better range profile than most small autocannons.


But you get ****-poor tracking, meaning any AB ship is near-impossible to hit. The Enyo needs a web not just for range control. The Enyo excels at fighting bigger ships because of the awesome DPS, but it has a hard time hitting other frigates.

The 'ranis is popular because
- It's fast
- It has a great slot layout for either a close-range Blasterboat or a Mid-range rail kiter
- It has massive structure hit points (for a frigate), meaning the only real tank you need is a DCII
- It deals fantastic DPS with blasters and 2 drones
- It's cheap and throwaway


False - the Enyo has a tracking bonus. Combined with the fact that blasters have the second highest tracking you can actually apply dps to target.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-07 18:14:17 UTC
Zoe Alarhun wrote:
KFenn wrote:
Smabs wrote:
In a frigate vs frigate fight the enyo isn't actually too bad. People have this misconception that it has no range but if you load neutrons + null it actually has a better range profile than most small autocannons.


But you get ****-poor tracking, meaning any AB ship is near-impossible to hit. The Enyo needs a web not just for range control. The Enyo excels at fighting bigger ships because of the awesome DPS, but it has a hard time hitting other frigates.

The 'ranis is popular because
- It's fast
- It has a great slot layout for either a close-range Blasterboat or a Mid-range rail kiter
- It has massive structure hit points (for a frigate), meaning the only real tank you need is a DCII
- It deals fantastic DPS with blasters and 2 drones
- It's cheap and throwaway


False - the Enyo has a tracking bonus. Combined with the fact that blasters have the second highest tracking you can actually apply dps to target.

taranis doesn't have tracking issues tbh.

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Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-10-08 08:56:42 UTC
The enyo gets a tracking bonus. With neutrons, a TE and a metastasis you get .5 tracking with null and .67 with antimatter, which is close to as good as you're going to get out of a frigate.

Plus it gets an 8k tank with just a damage control.
Archare
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-08 10:09:25 UTC
Mara Abraham wrote:
Good day:
If you've practiced a lot with your Taranis, that means you will win most 1v1 engagements given the above... misconceptions their ship is better than your ship, higher ego (look how easy it is supposed to be), and WOW (the Taranis is in structure, and I've still got armor left) are all in your favor.



hehe... I can't count how many times my taranis finished with like 5% structure left.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-08 10:21:21 UTC
Mara Abraham wrote:
Now, if that was not enough, a lot of pilots think that once they get the target into structure, they are winning... especially if the target hits structure sooner than they hit structure.

If you've practiced a lot with your Taranis, that means you will win most 1v1 engagements given the above... misconceptions their ship is better than your ship, higher ego (look how easy it is supposed to be), and WOW (the Taranis is in structure, and I've still got armor left) are all in your favor.



remember kids, a taranis in structure still has more than half of the EHP.Cool

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Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#15 - 2011-10-08 10:45:28 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
but it is worth it to go back for the taranis instead?

Why "back"?
Enyo -> Taranis is definitely "forward" Big smile

Main question when you are using blasters is how are you going to get on their optimal range. Fast, dual-prop inty does this better than AF.
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#16 - 2011-10-08 10:50:08 UTC
Grimpak wrote:

taranis doesn't have tracking issues tbh.

Any turret ship may have tracking issues. Аnd sometimes have them.

Good example is 125mm sabre killed by armor dramiel @ 500m orbit. Without TD. Even 0.78 tracking may be not enough.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-08 11:33:50 UTC
Captain Nares wrote:
Grimpak wrote:

taranis doesn't have tracking issues tbh.

Any turret ship may have tracking issues. Аnd sometimes have them.

Good example is 125mm sabre killed by armor dramiel @ 500m orbit. Without TD. Even 0.78 tracking may be not enough.



ok let me rephrase it:
Taranis, in it's regular usage, doesn't suffer from tracking issues that much.

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Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-08 16:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Abraham
Good day:

"Remember kids, a taranis in structure still has more than half of the EHP"

That thought process is what allows me to win most of the time (90+% win rate against Rifters.

Though I did have fun last night turning the tables by flying a Rifter in two separate battles against a Taranis, and winning both times - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14365336 and http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14365450

A number of my corp mates who fly a Taranis use rails, and they have a better success rate than my blaster ranis.

All in all a good ship. The enyo is also a good ship, but more people run from it.

Thank you.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-08 16:47:41 UTC
Mara Abraham wrote:
Good day:

"Remember kids, a taranis in structure still has more than half of the EHP"

That thought process is what allows me to win most of the time (90+% win rate against Rifters.

Though I did have fun last night turning the tables by flying a Rifter in two separate battles against a Taranis, and winning both times - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14365336 and http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14365450

A number of my corp mates who fly a Taranis use rails, and they have a better success rate than my blaster ranis.

All in all a good ship. The enyo is also a good ship, but more people run from it.

Thank you.



tbh I'm one of those guys that likes to fit a ANP II + DCU II combo in the lowslots, but since I've voluntarily stepped away from rich PVP grounds, I stopped using said setup that was never properly tested.


do ANP setups work well?

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Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-10-08 18:50:33 UTC
Good day, Grimpak:

I've not tried the adaptive nano plating version (rifter or taranis); so, sorry, I don't know.

Thank you.

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