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Goons 4x4ing through the Sandbox - Market Manipulation on a Grand Scale

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Mai Amarr Waifu
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2012-06-21 17:34:46 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
I am Jack's utter lack of surprise. Lol


Considering how adamant your members are about how 'they've done everything' in terms of 'winning faction warfare' I can't say I believe you XD

Fix faction warfare plz. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123906

It's not like you're going to win when you don't have goons to prop you at t5 in every system indefinitely anymore :(

- Le Womyn Power
JamesCLK
#142 - 2012-06-21 17:35:13 UTC
Treyan Argund wrote:
Quoting for posterity, Jade Constantine literally owns a time machine


That wouldn't even... :psyduck:

Where can I sign up for the afterparty? The 4x4 seems awfully crowded.


Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
They should correct the flaw and than confiscate all the ill-gotten gains. Twisted


Seconded.

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Harataka
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#143 - 2012-06-21 17:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Harataka
Jade Constantine wrote:


That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.


Dammit Jade you almost owed me a Tengu for making me laugh so hard at your bullshit that I forgot to turn on my tank. :(
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2012-06-21 17:35:21 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI

Nope.


I'm afraid to say you know nothing.


roleplaying ygritte now

what is it with you and roleplaying promiscious women??
Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2012-06-21 17:35:22 UTC
Fuujin wrote:
No isk was created by this method. Isk was actually SUNK by this method into FW stores and broker's fees.

All the isk pulled in was from player's hands.



Insurance creates some isk, but in the grand scheme of things probably not much.

And damn this thread is growing fast.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#146 - 2012-06-21 17:35:24 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
This is like when the Villain in the movie spends so much time broadcasting his success it leads to his downfall.


I'd be a great villain, I'd shoot the hero in the head 3 times once I captured him instead of prattling on about my superiority. Then I'll cut of his head and mount it on a spike outside my evil lair as a warning to other superheroes.

That would make you a terrible villain. Don't you know the rules? You HAVE to gloat.


I'll gloat later when I'm casually holding the severed head of the hero in front of a monitor broadcasting to the UN while I demand one-hundred million dollars!

So close...

J3ssica Biel
Caldari State
#147 - 2012-06-21 17:35:38 UTC
fab24 wrote:
So what's all this crap even for?

If you stopped playing the test server 23/7, logged on TQ you might know, ******
Treyan Argund
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#148 - 2012-06-21 17:35:42 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
That means I was the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.


ftfy
Skye Aurorae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2012-06-21 17:35:49 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:

If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.


Your argument fails right here, this whole scheme removed ISK from the economy.

(I suppose you think getting you ship blown up is an ISK sink)

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.

Words Words Words
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2012-06-21 17:35:55 UTC
there is a mole.. right at the top of the circus

ccp sreegs has been tasked with revealing his identity... and eliminating him
Igner Greyhound
Perkone
Caldari State
#151 - 2012-06-21 17:36:02 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.


How about something like "This was technically legit, but the system was biased in a way we didn't intend, so we at CCP have to reverse some of the damage, because we can."

Then you can follow it up with "Tech is hilariously broken too, so we're going to fix that next."

Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#152 - 2012-06-21 17:37:14 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:

If anyone thought CCP would turn a blind eye and treat billions, hundreds of billions or more isk injection as a 'oops water over the dam, better luck next time' situation they are truly naive.

As far as I know, no isk was created out of this.
They destroyed minerals to get LPs, used LP and isk to get assets, and are now owning tremendous stockpiles of various valuable items. These items will have to be sold on the market, or used internally.
Father Snuggles
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2012-06-21 17:37:30 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.


"So we had this sandbox and, due to lack of forethought, filled it with diarrhea. Now, while the vast majority of people were paddling around in it, writhing in disgust, there was this group of folks that accurately assessed the situation and built a float out of their mouthbreathing comrades that were oblivious to their fecal predicament.

Then, not covered in filth like everyone else, they laughed at us.

Joke's on them, though. We punished them by saying they weren't in a sandbox to begin with."
Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#154 - 2012-06-21 17:38:06 UTC
Aryth wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,


At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. Don’t be That Guy.



By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch.



Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?




I don't really want to say just yet, but basically if you know you're using a system in a certain way in order to gain massive resources, whether you're taking advantage of a design flaw or not and whether we classify it as an exploit or not we're still well within our rights to fix the glitch. I'm not going to comment on what we do or don't do at this point because I don't prejudge the results of investigations.



The CCP position is pretty clear. They have to protect the sandbox to some degree. However, we were careful to limit the scope of this. Profit yes, gamebreaking no. In theory we could have generated 10's of billions of LP. That would have had long term consequences CCP could not have ignored. I feel good that when they dive into the details, they will see it's not horrible enough to mess with, and it the market will correct within 30 days or so.


So is the idea to exploit it, but only a little so as not to **** off CCP? Meh
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#155 - 2012-06-21 17:38:48 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI

Nope.


I'm afraid to say you know nothing.


roleplaying ygritte now

what is it with you and roleplaying promiscious women??


did someone call?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#156 - 2012-06-21 17:38:49 UTC
BRAVO GOONS!


Keep the good work, it's incredible how some of your bright minds can find these things.
Treyan Argund
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#157 - 2012-06-21 17:38:55 UTC
:siren:GS_ISK LEAK:siren:

(13:38:10) la_nariz: The jewbal bankrolling a burn jita month?
(13:38:19) treyan_argund: :aaaaa:
(13:38:22) treyan_argund: YES PLEASE
(13:38:26) endercapitalg: :stare:
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis
#158 - 2012-06-21 17:39:48 UTC
So if you Goons came out BEFORE CCP find out about your cheatings, i would be impressed. Now. Not so much, another round of cheaters will bite the dust.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-06-21 17:40:26 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
That means you guys were amongst the last to know ... thats actually quite funny.

I'm actually 100% certain you're 100% full of ****. But again, please do keep on pouring on the damage control, you're pretty bad at it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#160 - 2012-06-21 17:40:26 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
The original leak of your document was in the early hours of wed morning FYI

Nope.


I'm afraid to say you know nothing.


roleplaying ygritte now

what is it with you and roleplaying promiscious women??


did someone call?


we found jade's spy guys

give me digi's job