EVE General Discussion

It`s already been explained that true hisec players are absolutely irrelevant. What CCP is concerned with now is hisec as a trap for new players, and a big part of that trap is incredibly lowrisk isk-faucets in hisec. The people who would never leave hisec under any conditions will continue to join the game, grind in ships to get better grinding ships, and then eventually quit. Their Eve lifecycle is utterly meaningless in anything you do.

What will change is those people who would venture out and try new things if they were faced iwth a situation where they couldn`t get the stuff they wanted fast enough doing the sologrind in hisec. These people will then venture out, and some of them will stay in the more compelling parts of the game, thereby contributing to a more interesting and dynamic game, which finally brings in more people and retains them in compelling game areas at a higher rate.

Again, this isn`t a matter of debate. I`m explaining to people what is happening, while also enjoying their impotent rage at their continued loss of easy spacebux.

The low retention players will just stay a lot shorter time once they learn they have all of 10 days to experience your fantastic EvE before all the EvE content they explored is over.

maybe you should thank matari for "sponsoring emergent gameplay" with perma hulkagedon for that :)

Yeah I wonder why

IBTB

Tal

Look as long as Nullsec spews constant venomous hatred for hi-sec carebears, they will never head out there in the number you desire. They simply are not wanted, except for moving targets.

This is not the problem to making null-sec vibrant. Make null-sec fun for everyone and they will come. Beat them with a stick over and over again, they may just quit. Now I know you elite Eve players in Null will say, fine... get the frak outta here. But just be careful what you wish for.

Now, in the other thread there are some valid ideas. And improving the manufacturing/production side of the game should help some. But if you want to live in Null and can't figure out how to make very decent money there, then there is no hope for you. You are simply simple.

Just a little quote from elsewhere




CCP are NOT doing what you seem to think they are doing. Why do you think there are certain moon goo changes, POS changes and other Null changes on the books? Could it be to make Null an easier, more dynamic and thus more attractive place to live? I think that it might be.

So whatever misguided data it is that you are working from, perhaps you should take a longer, harder look. Maybe post with your brain.

And PLEX sales.

or the area of nullsec your living in sucks for making isk lol *cough* syndicate *cough*

Let's presume you've got 2 hours a day you can dedicate to moneymaking, and that you're a coward so you choose L4s. You choose a sufficiently usable ship for L4s, and you reliably make, say, 70-80m/day for no effort and no risk.

Let's presume you have the same 2 hours a day you can dedicate to moneymaking, and you're not quite the coward, so you choose to make your money in nullsec. You choose a sufficiently usable ship for the most lucrative sanctum, and you try to run them. However, one day you get interrupted by 2-3 roaming gangs, and the next 3-4 days some blackops/bombers gang has decided to camp 4-5 different systems, yours amongst them. The first two days you just don't do anything, the third you start to get impatient because you haven't made much isk this week, and on the fourth you say **** it and run sanctums anyways. And you get popped. And you're now left having to buy a new ship and mods, which may or may not need to be imported from hisec, which may take a day or two to arrange. And after all this is said and done, you're now left with less isk than you started with, whereas the guy who just went for L4s are now +800m.

This isn't rocket science.

Nullbears cry about lvl 4 missions ... Come on, you all are realy bored, grab your guns shot som one ! here no need to nerf missions etc, carebears in empire isn't your problems in 0.0, you all who living in 0.0 are responsible for your area and game progres, why so meny whine here, here enough space and alliances in 0.0 space to fight, in fact you dont have balzz or resources to invade enemy null space, and for this fact you blame missions runers in empire ?

This is ****** santbox dont force people to play like you want, let them play like they want, here a lot casuals a lot people who prefer chill mode while pve etc, they have right to play like they want because they pay money every month, i dont get it, you need mass of cannon fodder form empire because you cant fight vs big allys etc.

I think here is big problem already in 0.0 mechanic ,alliances who living in 0.0 got to much moons incomes and other resourecs, game is overloaded with titans, super cariers etc, this need balance not a carebar land.

In fact 0.0 space produce to much incomes, that alow alliances to bulid infinite numbers of capitatal withaut realy big risk and atention to game, moons incomes are to much pasive end easy money.