EVE General Discussion

Removal of drone ores, metal scraps, reduction in quantity of loot, hi level loot now nearly non existent, manufactured loot removal ......


Tal

It is this mentality that makes high sec stale. We have no problem being shot at my rats in L4 missions but you put a human being behind that flashy red + and we don't want to have anything to do with that!

I would also recommend that you read the other thread that this one is referencing (albeit in a nonconstructive and whiny way). I was quite taken with the ability of people on both sides of this issue having an engaging and informative discussion in some pages in between the same kind of uninformed crap that you are now posting here.

So, what you're saying is that nullsec players are more open-minded than you.


What's that you say? Farms and fields? A much easier to conquer SOV system?

Don't mind if they would.


Why shouldn't we try to get more people in low or null?

Move moon mining to highsec and move L3/L4 missions to low/nullsec. Seems like a fair compromise to me.

Why will trying to get more people in low or null fail miserably?

I agree with the OP. Hisec is a horrible place mostly filled with self entitled failures who think that they should be able to compete with sov holding alliances.

No, but as I said, I am essentially talking out of my ass - and so are you - unless CCP makes the quantitative longitudinal data available.

If CCP considers this data Super Sekret, then use the NDA they have with the CSM, and have the CSM look at the data (as a whole group) and tell the community (As a whole) what is the actual make up of Eve is in the form of "Majority in highsec" or "About the same" so no actual . That would settle the question.




So do I. I am not saying it doesn't happen. I am saying that there is nothing in the mechanic that forces this, and that the inverse is more likely/common. No one would jump the ungodly amounts of jumps it takes from Jita, even using jump gates and jump freighters, from any nullsec hub if it didn't make good isk.

In other words, the people that fund nullsec with highsec do so for personal reasons, not mechanics reasons.

erm nullsec levels of income? ever tried making isk pve wise in syndicate? :P

Let's presume you've got 2 hours a day you can dedicate to moneymaking, and that you're a coward so you choose L4s. You choose a sufficiently usable ship for L4s, and you reliably make, say, 70-80m/day for no effort and no risk.

Let's presume you have the same 2 hours a day you can dedicate to moneymaking, and you're not quite the coward, so you choose to make your money in nullsec. You choose a sufficiently usable ship for the most lucrative sanctum, and you try to run them. However, one day you get interrupted by 2-3 roaming gangs, and the next 3-4 days some blackops/bombers gang has decided to camp 4-5 different systems, yours amongst them. The first two days you just don't do anything, the third you start to get impatient because you haven't made much isk this week, and on the fourth you say **** it and run sanctums anyways. And you get popped. And you're now left having to buy a new ship and mods, which may or may not need to be imported from hisec, which may take a day or two to arrange. And after all this is said and done, you're now left with less isk than you started with, whereas the guy who just went for L4s are now +800m.

So, which alternative would you choose?

Or, let's assume you're an industrialist. The mineral market is woeful (because people would rather do L4s in hisec instead of mining in nullsec for 20m/hour or whatever the going rate is now if you cherrypick, let alone go for the shitties of the **** ores), and mining means spending a lot of time hauling it to a station where you can refine it, and then you have to hunt around the entire region for a single open slot which isn't backlogged for a month. If you don't want to wait, you have to pay 100-200m/month just to run your very own POS, and you'd have to either get the appropriate roles in the corp or make your own alt corp and get at into the alliance, then you have to constantly haul the minerals to the POS, and you also need to either know your corpmates, haul the BPO/BPC to the POS or watch the BPO get stolen.

Compare that with hisec, where you just go to jita, buy whatever you need, haul it a few jumps out of jita, plug it into one of the 30-40 open slots and go out on the balcony and sip a mojito. Then, when it's done, you haul it back to Jita, set up a courier contract to the alliance JF service, wait a day or two and contract it over to your nullsec character.

So, which alternative would you choose?

Not empty quotin', there will always be folks in highsec that will feel they should be able to mine/mission at a set rate of isk without impunity and will reject the rest of the world around them, more and more of these players appear in EvE as the months go by and turn to the forums in rage when they get ganked/their isk rate becomes at risk.

Compare the amount of forum whine for each hulkageddon, there'll be substantially more now than when it first began