EVE General Discussion

make nullsec vibrant again?

K, nullsec needs more vibrators up their butts.
FEEL DA VIBRATIONZ.

When you say that people would still do incursions, you realise a lot of people doing incursions were from null sec, low sec and wormholes right? So surely if your aim is to give those "living" in whs, low sec and null sec incentive to actually start living in their respective regions then a drop in activity was inevitable?

The end result of nerfing incursions was always going to be a drastic drop in the number of people doing them. I used to have most of the major null sec alliances and their holding corps set red, and going through an incursion system made me feel like a Honda Accord member jumping into VFK.

As for fixing high sec by nerfing it into the ground, what is the alternative? You want to buff low, null and WHs? You realise that's essentially the same thing, right?

Actually, I misread you, so I'll try again. You say that we abuse something until CCP fixes it. Nullsec has been in a ****** state for anyone who doesn't want to invade others, and even that became pretty ****** after dominion. So, how do we go about actually abusing that so CCP'll fix it?

We can't really invade somewhere, because then CCP'll just think "ah, they're invading eachother again, the mechanic is working perfectly.". We can't force industry to work out there, because CCP'll just think "ah, they're making stuff out there again, the mechanic is working perfectly.". In fact, all we can do (that I can think of) is to do what we're doing, i.e. ship almost everything in from hisec and creating a huge NAP going from lower fountain to upper tenal. It doesn't seem to be entirely working, must we take the rest of the universe, too?

I think we're there already.

Well, that and heavy deepdicking of markets.

The Honourable Yellow Star of the Defense of Jarshitsan
"Northern Coalition"-grade Ribbon of the Anti-Sansha Forces

Believe it or not, those stupid gadgets move people to do stuff. Also see how shiny perks work in RL as well.

Thank you for answering to yourself.

Of course a part of incursioneers come / came from those places and exactly because the social aspect was neglected vs the ISK aspect.

What if an hi sec incursion provided ISK but a null incursion provided shiny BPCs that can only come from there?

ISK is one of the EvE currencies and CCP has wasted way too much time introducing ISK aspects everywhere instead of introducing other and subtler and *local unique* currencies.

0.0 is the "raw producer region"? Cool then have stuff that ONLY comes from there and not just moon goo but day by day stuff that everybody in 0.0 can harvest. So hi sec produces ISK, you produce good stuff that is worth that ISK, ISK comes to you (and not just the moon overlords).

This would also have an important side effect. For the first time, due to additional income not funneled down from the high spheres, even sov members could be able to raise their head and become more selective on which corp they join.

Corps would compete a bit more (no more "you are our servants, be glad we even accepted you") on the services they provide and the average 0.0 Joe could entertrain in those side activities.
If they also create structures to support side activities and reinforce manufacturing etc. then 0.0 could become much more worthwhile and fun to go there, even if you are not a pure pew pew lazors guy.

Yep, badges. Because the incursion runners were so loyal once it got nerfed down to around L4 levels or thereabouts. :v:

CCP have already stated that they'd like to move high, low and null into generating products unique to those regions.

IIRC it was faction loot for low, tech 2 products and high end industry for null and low end stuff for high. Needs citation though, it was a while back I heard it and knowing CCP it may have been merely a brainfart they never intend on seeing through.


What?

Are you complaining that the social aspect of null sec was neglected, or the social aspect of incursions? Because it sounds like you're saying the social aspect of WHs and null sec doesn't exist.

I've done both, and I can tell you that there is no social aspect to incursions. Whereas the social aspect was the only reason I ever went out to null sec (I'm a low sec pirate at heart).

And of course people will go where the highest ISK for the lowest risk is, it's necessary in order to remain competitive.

If you can't add money (else a feature becomes overpowered) you add emotional value and social benefits. That's really it.