EVE General Discussion

All of High Sec should become Faction vs Faction, with all PvE missions/Incursions tied into that conflict. Players want to do PvE missions/Incursions they need to pick a side and be prepared to have to deal with that factions enemies, including other players. With that NPC corps should all be in a state of war with enemy NPC corps, and all be wardecable by player corps.

Wardecs just need to be rolled back pre P. alliance nerf, all this work on a new system is wasted time.

CONCORD should become beatable and avoidable again. A force to be feared, but not the hand of god.

CCP should also change the terminology of different areas of space from High, Low, and Null Security to Empire, Borderlands, and Frontier Space. High security gives some players the wrong idea, and the expectation that they should be immune from other players, that's not good.

Wow...are we allowed to design our own game here in the sandbox or are you just suggesting we re-invent the wheel?

I'd rather they added a piece of code that just gave them a suspect flag for flying certain ship classes whilst in an NPC corp. Pretty sure some lore could be made up to support it too.

Plus CCP are always looking for ways to get new players into player corps, pretty sure "you can't safely fly any of the larger ships in an NPC corp" would help.

It's also not worth the extra effort and risk compared to making ISK with an hi sec L3 alt. And even L2.

What are you going, leave L1 and that's it?

Not for a second your mind is hit by the mere thought that maybe the answer is not to make hi sec a sh!t but to make 0.0 a pleasant place to be.

Who's enforcing gameplay on whom? A High Sec that provides both security in the form of CONCORD/Crimewatch and high value PvE makes it the preferable place to make ISK for just about everyone, not because that's the gameplay that everyone wants, but because it's the most efficient means in terms or risk and effort vs reward of making ISK in what is from the foundation up a competitive game. To balance High sec with the rest of the game it either needs to have it's risk factor upped substantially or have it's PvE gutted.

I will leave this here:

If you completely removed Hi sec, 0.0 is still not worth paying a sub for.

So go ahead, TRY it. Remove hi sec for 3 months then print the subscription numbers.

I will give you 5B if you win this bet.


Also, by being arrogant prats against fellow players who chose to live away from your empty far west you gain ZERO support by them for what would be totally worthwhile requests to have CCP improve 0.0.

Leave whatever you like Vaerah, but my post didn't talk about removing Highsec, and my goal isn't to make everyone move to Nullsec. So, you didn't really leave me anything to respond to let alone "bet" against.

1) Choice not prescription.

2) Avoid the paranoia jelly, it really doen't taste nice and should come with a health warning. Seems to be served all over New Eden however.

3) All regions need appropriate attention. Sure this can be done without having to adopt models of breaking others?

4) Risk vs Reward is relevant and should be a useful aid with applying "comparative" benefits, but it doesn't mean any region should "have to" be the end game on that ladder or having a steadfast linear progression model that you should migrate to the lowest system security number possible to finish personal achievement. (Despite that EVE doesnt have an "end game" imho, except for the ban hammer and unsub button).

5) Prefer to avoid "gameplay" monopolies, but realise some unique elements may be needed for different playstyles and regional mechanics.


tl;dr: I don't consider EVE to be a timed conveyer belt transition into null, but that does'nt mean it shouldn't get it's "own" Love.

I guess that means we'll have to double the isk payouts and have CCP give nullsec both stations with 10x as many factory lines, research/copy/invention lines and a capital mining ship which sucks down 10x as much roids as a hulk would.


You mean like the guy who kept claiming that jumpbridges were a power projection tool, despite everyone who live in nullsec, and have lived in nullsec for the last ... uh I dunno 2-3 years, and been involved in countless wars in that time, telling him he's wrong and he should look at JFs and various other JD-capable ship for that?

You guess only a part of the issue.

Let's take an example of something that worked: WHs.
They are arguably as unforgiving (living at a POS and perma-nightmare logistics anyone?) as 0.0 but for some reason they marry very well a certain amount of players. WHs do what's written on the tin, nothing less.

0.0 is not just about "ISK".

0.0 is the Australia, hi sec is the USA and China (low sec is Somalia ).

Australia has loads of riches, prominent material and precious metals. They make a good income at sending their stuff to the "big consumers".

So what does Australia do for the USA, that 0.0 does not do for hi sec?

0.0 minerals / moon goo (and once, drone poo) = Australia. So that part seems to work.
Evidently 0.0 < Australia for something else.

By improving this something else you get 0.0 fixed. Not by "buffing this, buffing that". The *concept* of 0.0 has to be buffed.

0.0 needs to evolve. Needs to go from Far West or even National Prison towards "Worldwide mainstay of resources production".

Anything short of that, won't help 0.0.




That guy is like miners who create GD threads about how unfair somebody popped their untanked Hulk. Just ignore and they fade at page 10 in 1 day. Easiest way to deal with them.




Edit:

Also, Goons usually do a lot of things right, but not this time.

The concept they apply is to "abuse" of bad / wrong / bugged / abandoned game mechanics till CCP wakes up and changes them. Same for who invented Dec Shield, exactly as a "punch-in-da-face" approach to make CCP fix those ancient clusterfracks. Same for Technetium and much else.

But for 0.0, for some reason, they did not get it. They should "abuse" 0.0 till CCP changes it, not to try "aggress" hi sec.
Making hi sec different or worse won't save 0.0. All you'll get is like moving L5 in low sec: the feature mostly got abandoned and nothing improved over there.