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so about that ring mining...
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Ice Poljus
#41 - 2012-06-19 23:58:54 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Ice Poljus wrote:
wont be offloaded because when they nerf it then the price of tech comes down but nothing happens to the other mats so it doesnt effect them i just want mining to be touched up a bit lol boring tbh even though im null sec

And why does the price of tech come down? Because miners are mining tech?

So what aren't those miners mining?

Anyway, even that is pointless speculation based on the simplest possible implementation of ring mining. Since ring mining seems like it is going to come with a hefty overhaul of the entire system it's nearly impossible to predict the outcome. For all we know they might even change material requirements or yields.

One thing we do know though: CCP will not allow T2 ships to become dirt cheap. Balance and what not. Something will have to go up if tech goes down.

comes down cuz cfc wont dictate the price anymore the south n east will have tech therrefore they wont be able to sell to most null sec but alot less then they do now if they do
Ice Poljus
#42 - 2012-06-20 00:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Poljus
Equimanthorn wrote:
CCP will just pooch this.

They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.


CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time

ccp are idiots then tech nerf is far more important then anything in null sec atm pos's can wait dnt even know what their doing to em is tht the ship array security? null sec is **** boring while cfc has the monopoly soon as others have it tht will open alot of doors for invasions etc n a stable south u dnt see cfc or any other north moving around as much as the south so if tech gets nerfed it wuldnt suprise me if goons get their overdue death
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#43 - 2012-06-20 00:43:13 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.

Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.

Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.

Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.

Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.


Dude, stop talking about thing about which you know nothing. How to implement ring mining:

1. Make rock objects with moongoo as extractable stuffz.
2. Put rocks in site(ring).
3. Miners go to ring and suck goo out of new rocks using existing assets.
4. Refine.
5. Profit

And on a side note regarding tesselation, until ships exploding looks like metal ripping, not rocks breaking, it isn't ready.

So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.

Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Ice Poljus
#44 - 2012-06-20 01:04:59 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:

T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.

Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.

Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.

Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.

Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.


Dude, stop talking about thing about which you know nothing. How to implement ring mining:

1. Make rock objects with moongoo as extractable stuffz.
2. Put rocks in site(ring).
3. Miners go to ring and suck goo out of new rocks using existing assets.
4. Refine.
5. Profit

And on a side note regarding tesselation, until ships exploding looks like metal ripping, not rocks breaking, it isn't ready.

So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.

Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all.

ring mining = every planet with a ring
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#45 - 2012-06-20 01:07:51 UTC
Ice Poljus wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.

Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all.

ring mining = every planet with a ring

Link to source?

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Ice Poljus
#46 - 2012-06-20 01:09:10 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Ice Poljus wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.

Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all.

ring mining = every planet with a ring

Link to source?

youtube and fanfest... go
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#47 - 2012-06-20 01:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Ice Poljus wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Ice Poljus wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.

Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all.

ring mining = every planet with a ring

Link to source?

youtube and fanfest... go

You mean the keynote address where they talk about "trawlers hunting through the belt to find the good stuff"? And then mention it in the context of the current probing system, suggesting a mini-game style hunt for deposits?

Sounds a lot like hunting for sites in planet rings to me P

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Ice Poljus
#48 - 2012-06-20 01:48:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Poljus
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Ice Poljus wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Ice Poljus wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
So some miners stop mining null sec ores whenever they find a ring mining site or w/e.

Yeah, that won't decrease supply at all.

ring mining = every planet with a ring

Link to source?

youtube and fanfest... go

You mean the keynote address where they talk about "trawlers hunting through the belt to find the good stuff"? And then mention it in the context of the current probing system, suggesting a mini-game style hunt for deposits?

Sounds a lot like hunting for sites in planet rings to me P

doubt it it just means u might need 1 or more guys to hunt for the asteroids in the belt to pull them out so ure ship doesnt get ****** by the asteroids (might imply tesselation in with it to) n it wud looks too stupid if some planets had ring mining but some were just textures so its safe to even assume its gonna be every planet
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#49 - 2012-06-20 01:59:06 UTC
Ice Poljus wrote:
doubt it it just means u might need 1 or more guys to hunt for the asteroids in the belt to pull them out so ure ship doesnt get ****** by the asteroids (might imply tesselation in with it to) n it wud looks too stupid if some planets had ring mining but some were just textures so its safe to even assume its gonna be every planet

Well I presume they'd "all" have ring mining, but they wouldn't all always have sites. Think of it as grav sites around a planet that spout moon minerals. Sometimes you might find moon mats, sometimes nothing, sometimes standard ores.

That is a massive assumption though, the truth is we simply don't know. Either way it doesn't really effect that fact that miners being diverted from normal mining activities to perform ring mining would decrease supply of other high ends*.

(*Which is also massive speculation, since we have absolutely no idea how ring mining is going to be implemented.)

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Ice Poljus
#50 - 2012-06-20 03:47:05 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Ice Poljus wrote:
doubt it it just means u might need 1 or more guys to hunt for the asteroids in the belt to pull them out so ure ship doesnt get ****** by the asteroids (might imply tesselation in with it to) n it wud looks too stupid if some planets had ring mining but some were just textures so its safe to even assume its gonna be every planet

Well I presume they'd "all" have ring mining, but they wouldn't all always have sites. Think of it as grav sites around a planet that spout moon minerals. Sometimes you might find moon mats, sometimes nothing, sometimes standard ores.

That is a massive assumption though, the truth is we simply don't know. Either way it doesn't really effect that fact that miners being diverted from normal mining activities to perform ring mining would decrease supply of other high ends*.

(*Which is also massive speculation, since we have absolutely no idea how ring mining is going to be implemented.)

obv wont be in every ring was a southern version of the tech moons to nerf it i think they defo hinted to moon minerals in ring mines though at least
pussnheels
Viziam
#51 - 2012-06-21 04:38:55 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
pussnheels wrote:

Industry can just be as hardcore pvp as blowing up ships from finding the best asteroids for your corp.



Don't be silly, please.

Guess you never had to deal with those 0,01 warriors did yoy or only have basic idea how economy works or should i quote von Clauzewits
War is a extension of diplomacy when everything else fails

Umm so basicly blowing up ships is silly
Never mind

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#52 - 2012-06-21 04:56:09 UTC
Quote:
pussnheels]
Bumblefck wrote:
pussnheels wrote:

Industry can just be as hardcore pvp as blowing up ships from finding the best asteroids for your corp.



Don't be silly, please.

Guess you never had to deal with those 0,01 warriors did yoy or only have basic idea how economy works or should i quote von Clauzewits
War is a extension of diplomacy when everything else fails

Umm so basicly blowing up ships is silly
Never mind

If people didn't blow up ships, industry would die. And high sec industry and mining, the kind that doesn't require even an ounce of combat, is about as "hardcore" as a knitting circle's bake sale.

Also, the quote in your signature was wrongly attributed to Voltaire. It was from a female author writing a book about Voltaire.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
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