Ships & Modules

The first time I played this game, (back when RMR was out), I had a basic Raven and wound up ratting in 0.0. (I specifically remember that SBA's were non-existent/seriously expensive to buy...)

Unfortunately, I ended up stuffing that char up - (wound up with ships at opposite ends of the galaxy (the Raven and a Scorp), with me stuck in the middle in a shuttle...).

So when I re-joined the game, I started over, and chose a Gallente char, who's still around and in a Mega, specialising in Lvl 4's for the Federation Navy. But then Apocrypha came out and my old comp couldn't handle it - (poor Radeon 9800 Pro).

I eventually got a better comp, decided to start with another char, and also decided to play a little differently.

I've been running Lvl 3's in a drake, (though this char has been skilled to use both missiles and guns), to unlock Lvl 4 missions in Gallente space (mainly Sinq) with as many corps as possible - alternating between Gallente/Minmatar and Caldari Corps (no anti-faction missions) to keep the standings up from storyline missions - (don't care about the Amarr, though - they can die). (I'm saving Amarr tags for RF faction gear, though not enough to exchange for anything yet - not many useful tags from Lvl 3's it seems - (mainly getting Pick Your Poison and Intercept The Saboteurs)).

Next thing I knew I realised I had almost 500M in the bank, and today, I noticed that I could buy a CNR for just 440M. (They've been at least 500M for as long as I can remember - so I grabbed one).

Although I also have a Rokh, I've never used that in combat, (since I haven't run any level 4's yet), and instead have merely used it for mining if and when required for a storyline mission. (I got it before I had the idea of unlocking missions with so many different corps).

I currently have 7m SP, (>1Mil in both guns and missiles), (including Tech II light/med drones), and I'm currently training Energy Systems Op V, to be followed by:

(Launcher rigging -> IV)
Shield Op V.
Weapon Upgrades V
(Adv Weapon Upgrades III/IV)
Energy Management V
Shield Compensation V
Energy Grid Upgrades V

At what point will it be worth flying the CNR, and what should I fit it with - a pulse tank like the Rokh, or something else?

Most of the fits I've seen for a Raven tend to be either fairly basic or high end faction fits - and most fits I've seen for CNR's have been high end faction. I could do with something in between? Any suggestions?

Would you still recommend a XL pulse tank (Cap booster?) like I'm using on the Rokh, or something different? (Sustained Large/faction med booster?)

(It's been a long time since I last used a Raven, and I can't even remember what I fitted it with back then - actually, I wonder if....

LOL: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/611-My-first-Raven-0-0-Ratting.html ).

Well, at least I can do better than THAT now :p lololol. (What was I thinking of, back then? :p ). (TBH - it wasn't good being stuck in the middle of nowhere with only basic skills and equipment, I think...). (You want to know why I started over? ;) ).

a CNR is pretty straightforward to fit. an XL + cap booster fit will probably give the best tank/ISK ratio but you can also try a faction large. as for damage, just make sure you have 4 BCUs (preferably faction or at least T2), meta 4 or better yet T2 launchers (normal or faction ammo, to taste) and rigor rigs and/or a target painter.

edit: the guy above me is doing it right,

edit #2: use hobgoblin II (or warrior II against angels)

I'ts easier and cheaper to buy a SNI.

Modules can be fit on both and it takes a lot of ISK and skills for the CNR to out perform the SNI.

The SNI has the same resitance bonus as the Drake, which gives it a better tank.

You'll have one launcher slot less than a CNR but 2 more midslots, those can be fitted with Target painters wich will help against smaller ships.

In the mean while you can train up skills and invest in modules, untill you can get the propper skill and fittings for a CNR.

Thanks everyone...

@Yabba - that seems pretty similar to other basic fits I've seen.

How necessary is the TP? (Haven't got skills for that yet).

I've seen some people talk about adding a flare instead of one rigor rig. Opinions on that?

@Mike - I looked at both the SNI and the CNR, and decided I preferred offense to defence. If necessary I can buy an SNI aswell...

@Chainsaw That sounds like a a useful Idea, thanks...

@Rath I don't really like the cap booster set up on the Rokh, either - (not that I've used it for much, as I said) - and so was wondering what the easiest way was to deal with that, thanks.

Although I've bought the ship, I don't mind taking some time out and running more level 3's (more corps to unlock) to build up more cash to equip it. I could do a basic fit now, no probs, but, as I said, I was wondering what mods to aim for to improve it - the faction SB, (and BCS), is what I was mainly wondering about... Shame they cost so much (since I'm not running faction missions for the Caldari to get tags).

What do people think about using Minmatar (Republic Fleet) faction mods? (As and when I get enough tags?)

The tp is quite important, more so than a third rigor. As far as the flare rig goes, iirc it works out to be slightly less dps applied than a third rigor when applied to to a cruiser moving under normal speeds (no mwd). The skills for TP's are really quite short, the only one that is needed to IV is signature focusing. As for cap boosting on the rokh, it's a whole different ball game with the raven. The raven has craploads of spare cap left for regen compared to the rokh (I should know, i used to fly ravens and now fly rokhs, the rokh requires very high sp), and you'll find yourself using alot less boosters, even to the point of playing minigames with your capacitor and shield boost, just to relieve the monotony of missile boats

Cap Booster + XL Raven is best Raven, allows you to run a 4-slot tank and dedicate everything else to damage application even at low SP. Use a Raven first to find your footing in L4s (or an SNI would be even better) and when you're used to it, sell them and upgrade to the gank Raven, it is IMO the pinnacle of Caldari missioning right now, Golem is nice but takes ages to skill into and has serious range and micromanagement issues.

Can't remember what skills I need for sentries, now, but I suppose I should add it/them to the list.

Considering I was running most level 4 missions without problems in a basic Megathron - (I had a bit a trouble in World Collide if I remember - that's when I needed tech II drones iirc) - the CNR should be a lot better/easier? (Which is why I chose a CNR above a normal Raven (since I had the ISK), (I only bought the Rokh initially because I felt like trying something different), and I think it'll be better in the long run over a SNI? (Though I might get one of those too, eventually, though am also thinking about cross-training with Gallente & Minmatar ships too).

I'm sure ISK is a lot easier to come by these days than it was the last time I played, too - (probably due to PI, though I'm sure I'm finding more meta 4 items atm, too... I seem to be averaging 5-10Mil income a day , (even though I don't play it all the time - (a couple of missions a day, usually)). (I'm sure it took me about 5 months last time to get the Mega, whereas I've been playing this char for 5 months now, too, and I'm sure I'm way ahead of what my old char achieved in the same time - (7 vs 5 1/2 Million SP, too - though this char equipped level 3 implants almost straight away, and has since upgraded to level 4's. (Just need decent hardwirings, now).

But I already bought a CNR ;) (Though given the way the prices are suddenly heading downwards at a fair rate of knots - (the CNR went from 504M on Saturday to 440M on Tuesday) - I don't think getting a SNI in addition will be all that hard...



As I said - I've ran a few with my other char in Mega, but that was a while ago, (and that char's out of money atm - just using him for PI), and I definitely remember having problems on worlds collide (Serpentis/Gurista), since I couldn't kill the damn webbing frigates fast enough - (no tech II drones) - and I also remember having problems being perma-jammed on The Dread Pirate Scarlet by a group of Gurista Ravens (regardless of ECCM+Sensor Booster?) - (though at least you don't need to kill them to complete the mission, thank god).

I doubt this char in a CNR will have as many problems, even with a basic fitting, but since it doesn't seem to take long to get ISK atm, I was wondering what other modules I can/should fit/improve upon - which everyone has answered, thank-you.



Since I've already bought a CNR, and getting the basic equipment for it (the fitting mentioned above etc.), won't take long, (mainly skills for the rigs and TP), since I've still got >50M ISK left over - and I don't see how that ship can be any harder to use than a Mega - (especially since this char's drone skills are far better, even if not perfect) - I don't see why an SNI is particularly 'required' for now - (though I might pick one up in addition, later).

yea I think there are a few people heavily involved in caldari faction warfare around here. maybe I'm overly biased because in my day we didn't have navy scorps.

the two main reason imo to fit faction mods to a navy raven are 1. more dps, 2. fitting. don't need faction to make the tank better, might want some to make the tank lazier, but that's on your laziness.

its not hard to make a full t2 navy raven, its just a few faction bits (or a smaller shield booster, personally I have a DG large booster on mine) mean you can change the coproc to something a bit more useful, DCII for a bit more tank and a ton more ehp, signal amp, drone damage amp, or something else that I haven't thought of.