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so about that ring mining...

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Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-06-19 10:05:44 UTC
Nyreanya wrote:
When the south gets tech, CVA holds Burn Hek events and sponsors 24/7 hulkageddon, but only against reds.


The only reason CVA have space is because nobody wants to grind through 56 station timers in order to live in Providence. Tech moons in providence along with destructible outposts... Party time.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#22 - 2012-06-19 10:24:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
pussnheels wrote:
Besides the proffesional miners in this game got alot smarter now it seem compared with a year ago


Glancing over the fits of recent deceased Orca's, Hulk's, Mackinaws, Retrievers and Coveters, the miners surely have grown some extra brain cells since then. Sadly they assigned them to the wrong part of the game.

Not to mention the mining/ indy corporations that let new member(s) in without checking the new members corp(hop) history.
I've been following some players and almost every other day they join a indy corp, join their mining op usually within the hour and zap-kill the mining fleet. Orca, Hulks you name it. By now these players have a corp(hop) history as long as my arm and well documented kill stats. But does anyone check their new member history? RollLol
Ice Poljus
#23 - 2012-06-19 16:15:10 UTC
tesselation and ring mining are 2 completely diff things tesselation is an entire rework of all the graphics where as ring mining is just implementing a small addon ccp could do it in a month or 2 tesselation will be next year or something
Ice Poljus
#24 - 2012-06-19 16:16:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Poljus
also the stranglehold cfc has on tech will dissipate when they nerf tech so then that means t2 production will be cheaper and soco will probably crush cfc ive flown with the north and the south in my time and soco are stronger tacticaly wise cfc just had numbers and isk to make ships
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#25 - 2012-06-19 16:21:27 UTC
Ice Poljus wrote:
also the stranglehold cfc has on tech will dissipate when they nerf tech so then that means t2 production will be cheaper and soco will probably crush cfc ive flown with the north and the south in my time and soco are stronger tacticaly wise cdc just had numbers and isk to make ships

T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.

Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.

Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.

Ice Poljus wrote:
tesselation and ring mining are 2 completely diff things tesselation is an entire rework of all the graphics where as ring mining is just implementing a small addon ccp could do it in a month or 2 tesselation will be next year or something

Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.

Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2012-06-19 18:07:47 UTC
Ice Poljus wrote:
also the stranglehold cfc has on tech will dissipate when they nerf tech so then that means t2 production will be cheaper and soco will probably crush cfc ive flown with the north and the south in my time and soco are stronger tacticaly wise cfc just had numbers and isk to make ships

Uh... huh.

"soco" are who exactly?

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dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-06-19 18:13:16 UTC
I thought that was pretty funny.

I didn't know that It is tech that drives the CFC's dominance, and not the tight-knit relationships and organizational capacity of a medium-sized business...

Good thing I have Eve-o GD to free me from my delusions.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#28 - 2012-06-19 18:15:36 UTC
dontbanmebro wrote:
I thought that was pretty funny.

I didn't know that It is tech that drives the CFC's dominance, and not the tight-knit relationships and organizational capacity of a medium-sized business...

Good thing I have Eve-o GD to free me from my delusions.

I've worked for medium-sized businesses that were considerably less organised than your average Eve Online null sec alliance.

Depressing really, when you realise that that isn't a joke.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-06-19 18:17:32 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Depressing really, when you realise that that isn't a joke.


Definitely was not joking, even if it is funny.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#30 - 2012-06-19 18:19:29 UTC
CCP Soundwave said ring mining is getting put on hold for POS's.

Look for ring mining in 2014. P

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Hara Jen
Arclight Imperium
#31 - 2012-06-19 19:23:24 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Arcturus Trask wrote:
Ring mining is just one more way that Miners ruin the game. :)

Oh and +1 Fred... Mining SuperCap. I fell out of my chair.
You don t get it yet don t you
Mining production and economy is just as essential to this game as blowing up ships
Without it you would be flying a ibis by now , but it is ok i understand that. This is way too complex for you


Industry can just be as hardcore pvp as blowing up ships from finding the best asteroids for your corp. And selling your minerals for the best price all the way up to manipulating the markets and outselling your competition
Besides the proffesional miners in this game got alot smarter now it seem compared with a year ago



Oh he gets it... He mines with 8 ships. He really does get it.
Toramii
Le Moulin Rouge
#32 - 2012-06-19 21:28:34 UTC
Ring mining?

...or is it just me?
Equimanthorn
RONA Corporation
#33 - 2012-06-19 22:01:29 UTC
CCP will just pooch this.

They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.


CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#34 - 2012-06-19 22:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
Equimanthorn wrote:
CCP will just pooch this.

They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.


CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time

You forgot to include removing local and curing cancer.

Because, you know, promising more than they can deliver and then rushing everything into a tight deadline has worked out so well for CCP in the past.

Let them take their time, get it right, and introduce single overhauls at a time.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Equimanthorn
RONA Corporation
#35 - 2012-06-19 22:49:14 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Equimanthorn wrote:
CCP will just pooch this.

They will try and tie it to planetary control in a desperate attempt to save Dust 514 from it's dwindling player base 2 years from now when Ring mining release. They want to use the same team that is doing the POS revamp as opposed to concurrent development.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
Ring mining might have to move back in favor or re-doing POSs.


CCP needs to release POS, Ring Mining and destructible outposts all at the same time

You forgot to include removing local and curing cancer.

Because, you know, promising more than they can deliver and then rushing everything into a tight deadline has worked out so well for CCP in the past. Let them take their time, get it right, and introduce single overhauls at a time.


I get your point, But I think i would rather not have several "micro" expansions a year and wait to have these implemented at the same time. I think they are all linked very closely and doing 1 puts the other 2 out of balance.
Luis Graca
#36 - 2012-06-19 22:52:40 UTC
Ring mining is just a rumor


Wondering if the guy that launched it is going to get banned Question
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#37 - 2012-06-19 22:57:37 UTC
Maybe, but with incremental alterations it's easier to roll back mistakes, identify which variables are causing unintended consequences and model solutions or tweaks that will actually work.

If you take a complex system, and make changes to a laundry list of interrelated mechanics in one fell swoop, then when something goes wrong it becomes exponentially harder to identify and correct those issues. As they're dependent on other variables that haven't reached equilibrium yet.

Generally for these reasons, especially in a system that you want to continue running (relatively) smoothly, incremental updates are always safer.

Basically mess with all that at stuff once, market gonna go craaaaaazy.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Ice Poljus
#38 - 2012-06-19 23:10:05 UTC
wont be offloaded because when they nerf it then the price of tech comes down but nothing happens to the other mats so it doesnt effect them i just want mining to be touched up a bit lol boring tbh even though im null sec
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#39 - 2012-06-19 23:24:45 UTC
Ice Poljus wrote:
wont be offloaded because when they nerf it then the price of tech comes down but nothing happens to the other mats so it doesnt effect them i just want mining to be touched up a bit lol boring tbh even though im null sec

And why does the price of tech come down? Because miners are mining tech?

So what aren't those miners mining?

Anyway, even that is pointless speculation based on the simplest possible implementation of ring mining. Since ring mining seems like it is going to come with a hefty overhaul of the entire system it's nearly impossible to predict the outcome. For all we know they might even change material requirements or yields.

One thing we do know though: CCP will not allow T2 ships to become dirt cheap. Balance and what not. Something will have to go up if tech goes down.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#40 - 2012-06-19 23:52:19 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:

T2 production won't become cheaper, the price will be offloaded onto all the other materials required.

Especially if ring mining requires active mining. If a whole bunch of mining fleets suddenly swap out to do ring mining, supply of high ends will drop dramatically.

Since ring mining is supposedly part of a full on industry revamp it would be reasonable to assume CCP will be rebalancing multiple aspects of the mining experience.

Ring mining is a major rework of core game mechanics, it is not something CCP can bash out in a month.

Also, IIRC from fanfest tessellation is going to have a reasonably large team dedicated to it.


Dude, stop talking about thing about which you know nothing. How to implement ring mining:

1. Make rock objects with moongoo as extractable stuffz.
2. Put rocks in site(ring).
3. Miners go to ring and suck goo out of new rocks using existing assets.
4. Refine.
5. Profit

And on a side note regarding tesselation, until ships exploding looks like metal ripping, not rocks breaking, it isn't ready.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

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