EVE General Discussion

15th analogy, your right, now I know how my old college professors felt when they explained the same concepts to the class 4 or 5 times in different ways trying to get it through their thick heads. While I attended class and did my homework,both actions at once.

You did your classwork. Homework, to do work at home. Unless of course you are telling us that you lived in the lecture hall. Your professor was a smart man to stop after 4-5 times. Also, simply being present is not considered an action, it just means you are there. I can be present at a mechanic shop while my car is being worked on, but it does not mean that I worked on it. In fact I transferred that action to another person.

But as I said, you can be present and still not do anything. Like currently you are performing the action of going off topic, while many other forum goers are simply attending this thread yet not contributing.

This game allows you to be afk, don,t know about botters ,but what happens when CCP implement something that monitors your client activity
like being inactive (changing speed or direction ,overview changes by client) for about 15 or 30 minutes would that help?
and ofcourse automaticly logs you out after being inactive

3/5 wrong, and one is rather disqualified by not being an activity (but its none the less affected by PvP).

PI has PvP in the form of competition for the best spots (when you suck a vein dry, it's not available to me any more).
Manufacturing has PvP in the form of jockeying for available slots.
Research is the same as manufacturing.
Skilling isn't something you “do“ in EVE, but is still rather directly impacted by other players' actions — lose that clone with its implants and your training time goes up; lose them under the right circumstances and your skills go down.

…and it's no surprise that there was some outrage about space Barbie, since it doesn't fit in with the rest of EVE due to its lack of PvP any interaction whatsoever.

Pull up to a Low Sec POCO in a Badger and see what can happen.

You are going down the same route as the other guy. It's not about what the item actually does, but what is actually controlling the process in which it happens and its all taking it so far from the point that the point is lost on the horizon.

All crappy analogies aside, here's a scenario.

You are mining in a belt and a suicide ganker enters said belt and starts heading for you.

What does the active player do?

What does the afk player do?

Answer those questions and you will have your answer to my original question.

I'll play. While I do agree that the player-run market is the one thing that most MMOs lack, it is not the be all and end all of the claims surrounding Eve. The claims were that everything you do in Eve is PvP. To that claim, I say that the only real thing that WoW doesn't have and Eve does is a player run market. Otherwise, you have resource competition:
Mining and salvaging in Eve, mining, herbing, skinning come to mind in WoW.
You have Contracts in Eve, it's WoW parellel is the Auction house.
You have competition in the industrial sector in EvE, mirrored by the blacksmithing, gemcrafting, engineering, scribing, leatherworking and enchanting sector in WoW, competing to make your stuffs for some money.
Mission runners in EvE are actually in less competition with their brethren. In WoW, all quest runners end up in the same areas as one another, competing against each other.

Essentially, once you come into contact with another player doing the things you are doing, you are butting heads with them. You are competing. This is PvP by the very definition given for Eve Online, and somehow that definition does not apply to all the other MMOs? Come on. If it's not PvP in other MMOs, it's not PvP in Eve. A dog here is not a cat there. It's still a dog, and crowing about one major feature does not erase or somehow overcome the rest of them in a honest discussion concerning said features. As for the comment that PvP servers are not game wide, they do not remove one feature from ANY of their PvE servers, SAVE that there is no restriction on where and when PvP may occur. PvE is not the only feature of WoW, and nobody is restricted to a game of no PvP anywhere, anytime like most people claim with little knowledge of how many options they do have.

At least I was honest about what i have and haven't played. Most people make broad, sweeping strokes based on what they have heard about other games, such as WoW and EQ, et al. They drink the kool-aid and regurgitate it when it suits them, having never even spent one second learning or playing the game they speak so ignorantly of. I've seen it for a very long time on these forums, and it only gets more prevalent as time passes. I hear less rhetoric during political campaigns than I do in this game these days.

Tip, you're a good fellow, and I like you. You are intelligent and when it comes to Eve, I doubt that, short of the Devs themselves and maybe Chribba, anyone is as plugged in as you are. But there is no rational, thinking way that those points cannot be conceded without risking credibility concerning the nature of these games as a whole. *shrugs* I don't know, I once bought into the whole GB2W mentality, and then I played it and some other MMOs. Truthfully, i can't go back to that narrow way of thinking again.

You aren't required to do anything in either game. Neither game will come to a screeching halt if you don't. The point is that both are in competition when it comes to players.

Instances are dungeons, they aren't quests.

But whatever. I realized about thirty minutes ago that I am having the exact same argument that I've had for four years now.

You apparently failed English class in high school... U =\= you...

-edit- Forgot to mention "r." That just makes my English degree writhe in pain :(