Warfare & Tactics

I had an idea that might be a suitable way to compensate players who defensively plex with some LP's.

The amount of LP's received from defensive plexing should be related to the level of contention or vulnerability of the current system. The most reward should be given to players who defend a vulnerable system, while no reward should be given to players who defensively plex a system that is completely or nearly stable.

My idea would have five basic levels of lp rewards:

System is vulnerable: Players receive 100% of the lp's equal to an offensive plex of the same size. So, defensively plexing a minor outpost will net 10,000 lp's.
System is 75%-99% contested: 75% equivalent lp rewards.
System is 50%-74% contested: 50% lp's rewarded.
System is 25%-49% contested: 25% lp's.
System is 0%-24% contested: 0 lp's rewarded.

In theory, this will compensate defensive players for rushing to the defense of vulnerable systems while preventing an endless lp farming exploit on stable systems.

What do you think?

My idea was to not actually reward with LP, but with some sort of stackable discount tokens. So if all you do is D plex, then you get nothing (looks at afk alt defensive plexers). But if you do both, you could actually make isk in a losing war.

I do like the OP's idea as well though.

Getting no LP for defending a plex is not a bug, it is a feature.

The fact that there is a reduced incentive to defend a plex gives the side with less pilots etc. at least some chances to capture a system. Furthermore the docking denial is a strong incentive to defend plexes if you have a basis in the system. If you don't have a basis, then why should you care about a system?

I like the idea.

I think some sort of reward needs to be implemented to defensive plex if they do not add a rolling back timer. IN theory there should be no reward because if you dont defend you lose your systems

However in the limited time of the new FW what we see is simply a stale mate of systems being flipped back and forth with no real "umph" into holding systems enough for anything beyond lvl 2 war zone control (except minmatar, but I dont think CCP intended for 1/4 of their fw players to roll over)

The biggest problem I see in FW is simple:

We have a bunch of people that simply do not care about the new sov mechanics and just want to pew

IMO these people are valuable and detrimental to FW players that actually are fighting in the way FW is now.

To try and get people to defensive plex is ridiculous. I would like to see a change where if you ran out an offensive pelxer the timer starts rolling back. This should help substantially. Especially when people spend 3 hours chasing friken mini farmers out of our plexes.

I think a simple change like that first would make a lot of difference before instituting rewards.

I think all plexing should be rewarded both ofensive and defensive.
The amount of reward should be dependent on how contested the system is.
So if your solo and looking for quite plexing in a quite system you can earn some LP but not at a good rate atleast untill you have plexed the system quite heavily and by that time you will have attracted attention.

If you want high reward plexing then you must go to the most highly contested systems and of course take the bigger risks.

The one problem this leaves is it can be abused by both sides simply plexing and not actully flipping the system. Some thing needs to be put in place that makes capturing a plex depremental to the other sides gain and thus make it vital to interdict the enemies plexing.

One idea I had was that once a system becomes contested all the LP from both offensive and defensive plexes goes into a kind of bank. This bank of LP buillds up and up as both sides fight and plex.
The bank pays out all the LP to the attcking militia if they capture the system or it pays out to the defedning militia if they uncontest the system.

I know its abit far out but hey.

To remove the farm and make FW competitive again (mash-up of stuff from all over):
- Make system sovereignty truly matter .. pew related benefits (ex. repair costs) rather than carebear related .. high'ish benefits, enough to want to aggressively pursue 'attackers'. Docking denial is part of system upgrade path.

- Defensive plexing is removed .. timers/spawns/whatever reset over time on their own, defenders job is to kill and/or drive off 'attackers' .. at least attacking one can spend time killing crosses, babysitting navy however ..

- Steal the LP payout system from Incursions .. if payout only happens on flip, farming will become dampened.

- Make benefit of warzone control 'localized'. Instead of getting discounts in each and every system with high enough WZC, use it as a scaling mechanism allowing individual systems to become ATM's/Payout centres (ex. 1-10 systems + upgrades = LP bonuses in 3 systems, 11-20 + upgrades = LP bonuses in 5 systems).
Makes aggressively defending what is probably home systems an imperative to keep the ISK faucet opened .. problem is which systems are chosen, perhaps a militia wide election through interface of all eligible systems.

**- The more systems that are controlled the more VP is needed for flips, taking that last system should be a monumental task.
**- The fewer systems that are controlled the fewer VP is needed for flips, coming back from the grave should not require one to dig ones way to China.

- Lastly, reintroduce 0.5 requirement for individuals/corps joining militias but keep it at 0.0 for alliances ... alts are a scourge.

** Those two can be augmented with VP bonus gains in border systems (adjacent to hostile) and notification about plex size and location when attack occurs to create a front like scenario.

@Cearain

I get what your saying, and more or less think you are right.

To me the issue is that:

No matter how immersed people are into FW or RP, EVE is still a GAME. You log in and want some form of entertainment.
Defensive is: Not Fun, Not Rewarding. I think the long term projected outcome of those two primary attributes is just not good.

The math would be: Not Fun + Not Rewarding = Do Something Else.

On a similar topic. I think Lockout + Move Out = Moving On for some players as well.

I quite like that idea.

Players gain LP for themselves via PVP and offensive plexing.

Thing is, if you do not defend at all, your enemy gets systems and if they shoot bunker they have one system less places where to farm lp.

So if you want to farms a lot, you need to defend on other side too, to get your farm going on, other option is to flip sytem all over again between two militias, but who is willing to shoot bunker over and over again.

It takes some more time to find out how this system start to work, people are already noticed that too much attack plexing may cause troubles if you want to farm for ever.

Least thing you can do is to let enemy defend freely (if they are so stupid that want to do that) , other option is to make your militia members to understand that there is no point to shoot bunkers before you want tier5 lp shop, you can still farm plexes in vulnerable systems.

Let your enemy take all systems, farm those to vulnerable and more, save lp, then on some point, shoot all bunkers, cash all lp from tier5 lp shop.

aftert that change to another militia and repeat !

I think any system where it makes more sense not to gain systems than it does to take them is fundamentally flawed. CCP really needs to remove the upgrade level points for the tiers. If there are 80 systems and you have 65+ then you're T5. That would lead more people to both offensively and defensively plex to keep or gain systems. Individual systems could still be upgraded for the benefits in those systems (more slots, etc.), but wouldn't count to the overall points.