Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, a few of days ago I was in an FW fleet and we were playing a game of cat and mouse with a couple of Talos BCs. Long story short they were in a SS, and no one had a probe as most people were flying DPS.

Now the things is I was in my Blackbird, I didnt even consider putting a probe launcher because as per the current mechanics probing down the enemy and then warping @ zero to the enemy would put me smack on top of them which is the last place a Blackbird should be.

There would be no point warping at your optimal, which is like 70km with average skills anyway. By the time people burn to the targets they would be long gone.

So in this regard we have Cov-ops. The problem with Cov-ops other than the initial training and ship costs is that well - you really are in no position to be a KM whore. Sure you may decloak to take a few pot shots at the hostiles and hope like hell that the hostiles are too busy with other matters to note oh so soft and tempting behind.

In FW especially I have noted a lot of newbie players as well as old players who fly heavy dps. Few peeps are willing to sacrifice a high slot except you guess it - EW pilots - other than Amarr ofcourse.


So what am I suggesting?

Simply allow Probers to use the Broadcast window to broadcast the warp in location of the scanned down hostiles. FCs can designate broadcast rights for Intelligence to a prober who can then scan down the hostiles > right click on the system scan location > Broadcast.

This would mean people in support roles such as EW can still be usefull in using a high slot without being the first to warp in on the grid. And unlike FC determined fleet warp in, will have the choice of range.

But what about Cov-ops you say? Havent they been made redundant? Well to begin with Covops have bonuses to scanning anyway that no other ships except the T1 variants have. A Cov op pilot is still very useful in gathering intel data even without probing as well as providing specific warp in location when on grid.

All in all the overlap in my estimation would be minimal. Yet the possibilities for even more versatility for T1 ships become more fruitful.

Discuss. And please try to READ the post in FULL before you post.

Not a bad idea. The cov ops have enough roles already that I don't think the small reduction in cov ops uses will be a problem.

+1

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yes that does work, creating a corp bookmark for the scan result would be another solution. but both are workarounds for a feature that is obviously missing. and that would be the "found them, go get 'em" button that allows your fleet to warp to the scan result, regardless of corp membership or position in the fleet structure.

OP does need a proper executive summary w/o the story tho

So what's the difference between a spy having squad warp privileges and being able to create a false warp broadcast?

Whilst yes, I understand the spy could in theory fleet warp you to a hostile POS. But a scout spy in the same position without warp privileges could broadcast the POS anyway.

As compared to getting fleet warp rights? Somehow BROADCASTING is WORSE than Warp rights? Yeah that makes sense.

Oh and btw. In a broadcast *I* can choose my warp in distance, in a fleet warp in, the FC chooses the warp in distance. Thats a FREAKING huge difference.

Unlike you, I can fly recons (falcons and rapiers). I'm well aware of their bonuses, and their intended roles.

As for your fleets warping to zero on stationary covert ops scouts... maybe your issue is just needing to find better fleet members/scouts?


Typo, was meant to read: "I just noticed below you say I claim".

My points still stand, there are already plenty of in game methods of getting warp ins. If you don't want to use them, don't trust your scouts and don't want to learn to fly covert ops ships, then that is your problem.

I'd prefer the ability to link a location in chat so that people could warp to or bookmark it. Corp bookmarks can take MINUTES to propagate to all online corp members, and even then anyone not in corp with the scanner would still have to be fleet warped or wait for someone to land. It makes sense for a fleet to be able to transmit coordinates.

edit: as for having to warp to zero: you need better scouts. One of my favorite moments in Eve was when I positioned a Pilgrim 10 km off an enemy POS rep fleet and had a 4-man fleet warp to a planet and then to me, at 10 km. They landed directly on the rep fleet and wiped 3 of the 4 ships before they could hit the shields. We fought under active POS guns and got everyone in one piece

All done without probes to alert the enemy, before corp bookmarks, and completely on the fly. There's nothing quite like a little creativity to win the day.

+1.

Being able to broadcast a location and warping to it was something I expected to already be in the game when I started flying in fleets. I was a bit disappointed to see that you can only broadcast the system you are in.

Obviously some thought has to be given to the implementation, since the fc must still be in control of who gets the information. The pilot who scanned down hostiles should not be able to broadcast the coordinates to the fleet.

The way I see it, it could be done a bit like this:

1) Pilot scans down hostiles
2) The pilot sends the coordinates to his FC (in which form is to be determined)
3) The fc chooses who may get the info, and broadcasts the coordinates
4) Fleet members can warp to the coordinates using the broadcast

If the FC has specific requirements for fleet members like warp to distance, I would assume he does this through regular channels (fleet chat/voice...).