EVE General Discussion

Instead of Hybrids, it should be Gallente.

Instead of Assault Frigates, it should be Frigates.

Instead of Super Capitals, it should be Fleet Warfare.



The issues are not independent, you cannot create a stable solution for one without a framework for how each element should work with each other.

With balance in Eve, we have seen reactionary changes that resemble less, the ebb and flow of technology within a universe, and more the actions of desperate politicians in successive economic crises.

I know that the CCP normally, as good engineers, try to go to the heart of an issue, Soundwave did mention that they where going to do things differently (better?) with balancing... And maybe the Zulublog words were miss-chosen... And even if all of the above isn't true, your actually listening, and reading the forums this time...

But then again....





In addition, see the links at the bottom of my sig.

issue about hybrids is that there is another race that uses them (caldari)

on AF's vs frigates, taking a step-by-step approach means throwing the 4th bonus at them and see how bad we break the frigate class. tbh the best way to test how good balance is, it's to actually let us do the breaking. not the most correct, the most definite.

same goes to the supercaps vs fleet warfare.

Ferox.
Rokh.
Eagle.
Osprey.
Navy Osprey.

I don't even need to say anything else. The ships I listed explain my point perfectly.

"Hybrid Weapons Balancing"

They will be looking at balancing the weapons, meaning they will not be trying to completely rebalance Gallente. I know what you mean by broadening the scope; The weapons are tied to other systems... but if you change it to "Gallente," the next argument would be, "Gallente should be changed to all Races, as they are interconnected." There is a point where the scope becomes too broad to focus on what needs fixing. This correlates to your other points as well.

"Assault Ships"

Putting in a quote from Hellmar's letter, "Nullsec space needs to be fixed. Factional warfare needs to be fixed. The game needs new ships. We need to do a better job of nurturing our new players and making EVE the intriguing, boundless universe it has the potential to be."

They are looking at all Assault Ships and that class in general; not frigates. I also suspect new assault ships in store but that is a wild guess with no proof.

"Capital Ship Balancing"

Changing that to "Fleet Warfare" is much too broad to tell us exactly what they are working on.


I don't think Eve would be careless enough to take each of these instances and change them without changing anything related to them. They are just letting us know specifically what they are working on, which is an improvement from, "We plan to do (broad spectrum subject here; sounds good to everybody, everybody gets disappointed)

I hear you.

Just out of interest, (I'm specced in caldari, as well as minmatar and gallente all the way to dread/carrier, but has never flown t1 caldari sub caps) - do you think those ships can be solved by looking at Hybrids alone? (I suspect the hulls themselves would need to be made faster, and in the case of the ferox, Tiericide would be vital.)

oh I do agree with that. EAF's and destroyers need a nudge too. EAF's however are somewhat interesting. Sentinel and Kitsune aren't awful, and the thrasher is nice. Keres sucks simply because as a damp boat it has even worse capacitor than the arazu (which already struggles there), and the warpjam bonus isn't really that special, when you compare it to the much more survivable and cheaper ares. Why using a keres when you can use the ares and actually survive the engagement? And in the hyena simply lost it's place on the nano nerf.





never said it was the right one, but it's nigh on impossible for a balance team compromised by 10-15 people to surpass the collective ingenuity of several thousand players.


taking a proactive way won't be enough. just look at the black ops class. pre-nerfed like hell since it's introduction.