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@CCP : Do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#381 - 2012-06-18 20:29:51 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

I'm sure you made a small error in your posting there and by "everyone else" meant "CFC posters" right. Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small.

Considering that you believe anyone not posting from a CFC character who disagreeing with you you decide is actually secretly in the CFC (even members of the CSM!), we'll have to agree to disagree on that one too.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#382 - 2012-06-18 20:30:14 UTC
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm sure you made a small error in your posting there and by "everyone else" meant "CFC posters" right. Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small.

I guess that's true if you assume that everyone who's not of your opinion is actually a CFC alt


well aren't they?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#383 - 2012-06-18 20:31:08 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This thread is out of control.



I think its turned into a war between goonswarm posters and the mod team as to whether bad posters are allowed to ignore the forum rules. Hopefully the mods will win.




Says the man derailing other threads, posting rumours, nonsense and personal attacks at every available opportunity. Does the saying "The pot calling the kettle black" ring any bells in that cavernous space between your ears?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#384 - 2012-06-18 20:32:47 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small.


citation needed
Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#385 - 2012-06-18 20:34:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Sixx Spades
Jade Constantine wrote:
well aren't they?


Weaselior wrote:
we know they did because-----Edit-----

No rumors without facts, please.

Tyrozan
Ensign
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department

Woah, and Jade is still posting

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#386 - 2012-06-18 20:35:12 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
This thread is out of control.



I think its turned into a war between goonswarm posters and the mod team as to whether bad posters are allowed to ignore the forum rules. Hopefully the mods will win.



"Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. Players who engage in these type of threads can expect to receive a warning and ban."

Jade, I think you should stop posting. I wouldn't want you to get banned for accusing the entire CSM of being CFC alts, or for repeatedly posting unfounded rumors of a conspiracy between Goonswarm and CCP to enact the 1.1 war system changes.

For what it's worth, the advice I gave Issler above would work very well for you as well - simply split your alliance into many small corporations, whereupon it will become prohibitively expensive to wardec you, and every wardec you receive can be returned four-fold for the low price of a flat 70 million ISK. You could even revive La Maison as an altcorp!
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#387 - 2012-06-18 20:35:55 UTC
holy christ this thread....

hello
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#388 - 2012-06-18 20:37:41 UTC
Sixx Spades wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
well aren't they?


Weaselior wrote:
we know they did because-----Edit-----

No rumors without facts, please.

Tyrozan
Ensign
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
Interstellar Services Department

Woah, and Jade is still posting



Quoting this in the vain hope that the rules that apply to everyone else, will also be applied to the rantings of Jade Constantine.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#389 - 2012-06-18 20:38:33 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm sure you made a small error in your posting there and by "everyone else" meant "CFC posters" right. Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small.

I guess that's true if you assume that everyone who's not of your opinion is actually a CFC alt


well aren't they?


Have you considered how paranoid you sound?

e. Is this PTSD from previous positions in EVE?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#390 - 2012-06-18 20:39:58 UTC
Dear ISD:

when I post "we know goons batphoned CCP because they were scared, and we know they were scared because they batphoned ccp", I am not spreading rumors: I am rephrasing Jade's rumormongering to make clear that he is using circular reasoning. Nobody is intended to believe that statement, it is intended to be so absurd on its face nobody believes it.

Sincerely,
Weaselior

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#391 - 2012-06-18 20:40:38 UTC
However, if you wish to edit out rumors, might I suggest the posts I am paraphrasing.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#392 - 2012-06-18 20:41:14 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:

Jade, I think you should stop posting. I wouldn't want you to get banned for accusing the entire CSM of being CFC alts, or for repeatedly posting unfounded rumors of a conspiracy between Goonswarm and CCP to enact the 1.1 war system changes.


Lucky I'm not doing those things really. So please stop trying to leverage forum rules to silence dissenting opinions. At some level you need to accept that other players have differing outlooks on the game and to be prepared to discuss these things without continual recourse to personal attacks and slander.

Kyle Myr wrote:
For what it's worth, the advice I gave Issler above would work very well for you as well - simply split your alliance into many small corporations, whereupon it will become prohibitively expensive to wardec you, and every wardec you receive can be returned four-fold for the low price of a flat 70 million ISK. You could even revive La Maison as an altcorp!


That would be my advise to Goonswarm as well. If you split up your alliance you could be protected from the consequence of high sec raiding corp dogpile without needing to advocate a complete nerfing of the defensive ally system.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#393 - 2012-06-18 20:41:33 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm sure you made a small error in your posting there and by "everyone else" meant "CFC posters" right. Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small.

I guess that's true if you assume that everyone who's not of your opinion is actually a CFC alt

well aren't they?

Citation needed. A lot of citations, actually, because there's a lot of people that disagree with you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#394 - 2012-06-18 20:41:56 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Dear ISD:

when I post "we know goons batphoned CCP because they were scared, and we know they were scared because they batphoned ccp", I am not spreading rumors: I am rephrasing Jade's rumormongering to make clear that he is using circular reasoning. Nobody is intended to believe that statement, it is intended to be so absurd on its face nobody believes it.

Sincerely,
Weaselior



Not empty quoting.

I have to wonder if the ISD guy even noticed that the poster was FROM Goonswarm?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Holander Switzerland
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#395 - 2012-06-18 20:42:39 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
. You could even revive La Maison as an altcorp!


For more **** it man its the escort brothel super space **** club this aint fun anymore

I throw all the grenades
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#396 - 2012-06-18 20:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyle Myr
Jade Constantine wrote:

Lucky I'm not doing those things really. So please stop trying to leverage forum rules to silence dissenting opinions. At some level you need to accept that other players have differing outlooks on the game and to be prepared to discuss these things without continual recourse to personal attacks and slander.



I simply don't want you banned - reading these posts is a good way to kill time between wars, though we might be a bit too busy for this all soon. I'm not sure what you're implying by personal attacks and slander - slander would imply I'm lying, and personal attacks would imply I'm saying something bad about you. I mean to do neither.


Jade Constantine wrote:

That would be my advise to Goonswarm as well. If you split up your alliance you could be protected from the consequence of high sec raiding corp dogpile without needing to advocate a complete nerfing of the defensive ally system.



Why would we need to do that?

We aren't a social place where you leave guns at the door.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#397 - 2012-06-18 20:43:12 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lucky I'm not doing those things really. So please stop trying to leverage forum rules to silence dissenting opinions. At some level you need to accept that other players have differing outlooks on the game and to be prepared to discuss these things without continual recourse to personal attacks and slander.

But not you, you're just always right.

Dissenters with you are all just CFC alts, according to yourself.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#398 - 2012-06-18 20:44:20 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

That would be my advise to Goonswarm as well. If you split up your alliance you could be protected from the consequence of high sec raiding corp dogpile without needing to advocate a complete nerfing of the defensive ally system.


And you CONTINUE to assume we care. Please continue to use straw man arguments.

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#399 - 2012-06-18 20:46:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Enaris Kerle wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm sure you made a small error in your posting there and by "everyone else" meant "CFC posters" right. Because your support from any actual independents is vanishingly small.

I guess that's true if you assume that everyone who's not of your opinion is actually a CFC alt

well aren't they?

Citation needed. A lot of citations, actually, because there's a lot of people that disagree with you.



Well tbh there aren't - and certainly not in this thread.

I have been debating with goonswarm/CFC coalition people almost exclusively and the one or two without those tags (or posting in an NPC corp like some of your number) have generally been happy to be identified on the CFC side of the argument.

Most notably - nobody from a hisec wardec corp has posted on your side of the argument. So you are in the position of supporting a nerf to a game system that impacts hisec (while claiming it does nothing to you) and thats dog-in-the-mangerism in its purest form.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Holander Switzerland
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#400 - 2012-06-18 20:46:21 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:



Why would we need to do that?

We aren't a social place where you leave guns at the door.



LIKE A HORIZONTAL TANGO CLUB A BANG BANG BAR A WEENIE TOUCHING CEREMONy