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I am somewhat sympathetic to your view here. If they are not going to change a thing for another 4 years then yes don't rush it.

But I think they need to continue to iterate/and experiment on it in stages. So I say go ahead and push through some changes to fw - especially the fw plexing mechanics. Very very few use them now anyway. It can hardly hurt to try to make improvements to them. I say go ahead and experiment.

I hope they do some changes and see what works what doesn't and continue to iterate. Trying to predict everything is not going to work.

As far as a player round table and that sort of thing we need to accept that although players want fw "fixed" there is very little consensus on how exactly to do that. We have had 3 years of people complaining that plexing is a broken mechanic. I don't think another 6 months will really clarify much.

Well we are on the same page in regards to what needs fixing, but as to how to go about it .... hahahahaha.

Reason I asked for postponement is CCP's track record .. sure they can crank out a lot of stuff in short order, but it will be marred with bugs and have the survivability of a hamburger at a Weight Watchers seminar.

Then again, none of us know what they can do with full focus on FiS since they have never done it before (post company expansion), so they might be able to pull out the proverbial rabbit .. but I would rather err on the side of caution and have it done right.

As long as it is implemented during the back half of the winter "expansion", they have enough time to figure out what players want and implement a revamp.


I can't stress enough how important both parts of that statement is.

Well if we are going to ask that they postpone it can we at least be clear what we are waiting for? Do we need one more fanfest roundtable on fw??

Most of the issues have existed since 2008. So we have had several fw roundtables at the various fanfests since that time. Do we need them to wait for one more fanfest roundtable? What will that accomplish?

I actually find it somewhat surreal that I have to argue that fw shouldn't be postponed any longer. 3 years of a broken mechanic should be long enough.

As was said above the winter expansion extends into the next spring. So if we put this off until summer we may not see any changes until next fall.

And why does ccp need to be cautious? I mean I don't really know anyone who only plays eve for the fw plexxing.
Maybe the concern is sasawong will rage quit if they somehow change it in a way he doesn't like? I mean who else really cares about plexing under the current mecanics? If anything CCP should feel very free to be creative on this part of eve.


Fixing plexing, fixing alliances, add some things to the lp store and that alone would make for a great expansion. There isn't much more that they *need* to mess with. Should they do more? Yes of course. But I don't see why they can't put a dozen devs on it and get allot of good things done in the next 4 months. (Of course I don't know anything about computer game programming eitther)

I would be happy knowing that they actually have a grasp on the problems (read: right problems) and show a willingness to discard the moronic idea of FW being training-wheels for null (when its more like the other way around ). They proposed giving us a blog with plans/ideas as compensation, but the guy in question must never have made it out of Russia.
I think there has only been the one FW RT and it was all about exploits and major obstacles (we/FW were young) to fun and didn't really touch upon mechanics of the thing, which is why the feeling of abandonment reared its head when CCP didn't show.

I know and I am not doing it lightly, do note that I said they should release it as a staged expansion. Chances are that they have planned out the 2nd/3rd stage (ie. the spring modules) to contain null fixes and will merely shuffle some FW things around in the 1st and call it 'done' (Read: I challenge CCP to prove me wrong!) .. a few extra months of deliberations will do wonders for what is eventually sent out.

Because FW is already a giant mash-up of code from everywhere else, put together to fit in with the failed idea of pointless occupancy .. by all means, they can be as creative as they can be as long as we get something meaningful out of it. We all want the same things; mechanics to encourage the fun small scale fights as well opportunities for big blow-outs, relatively easy access to funds and something to do when neither are applicable.

That paragraph is exactly why I want it postponed. We have been ignored and neglected so long that people (didn't expect you to be among them though ) have given up the fight and are ready to settle for scraps and make massive compromises. Well, I am not ready to sell my soul just yet.

Not asking for a debate, merely assurances that they have even the faintest clue as to what they want to do. That is the big problem, they have offered nothing but silence and have by their own admission not done any actual thinking on the subject at all other than move the development slot around ..

I for one do not believe in Hail Mary's in the 11th hour, the two I have experienced in my life were down to dumb blind luck, so I quite simply do not believe that they can do FW justice in the time allowed by all the other items on the FiS back-log.

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