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*** so CCP when are you gonna sort this prices out!!? ***

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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-06-18 03:02:43 UTC
Well, CCP could decide to reduce the amount of minerals needed by all ships by 25% or more. That'd not only give us a cost break now, but keep the barrier entry to a new class (as well as pvp) lower.

For example, if the mat reqs of ships and their items were reduced by 50%, you'd be able to make two ships for the price of one. A 5 million ISK cruiser or 20 million ISK BC would be a lot easier for a PvPer to lose and replace as well. At 40 million per, you might be able to tease some people into PvPing with tier 1 BS instead of a BC.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#62 - 2012-06-18 03:06:07 UTC
minerals spiked a ton, highends are mostly back to where they were, and low ends are lagging a bit. eh whatever it will sort itself out soon enough

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Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-06-18 03:10:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Theodoric Darkwind
So lemme get this straight the OP is trying to blame goons for CCPs decision to remove drone poop from the game? The OP obviously failed to realize that their cheap ships were because of the efforts of a couple thousand russian bots collecting drone poop 23/7

Now minerals have to be properly mined, which is a great thing for miners and industrialists.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#64 - 2012-06-18 04:03:18 UTC
Linna Excel wrote:
Well, CCP could decide to reduce the amount of minerals needed by all ships by 25% or more. That'd not only give us a cost break now, but keep the barrier entry to a new class (as well as pvp) lower.

For example, if the mat reqs of ships and their items were reduced by 50%, you'd be able to make two ships for the price of one. A 5 million ISK cruiser or 20 million ISK BC would be a lot easier for a PvPer to lose and replace as well. At 40 million per, you might be able to tease some people into PvPing with tier 1 BS instead of a BC.

But... why are you assuming that cheaper ships is a good thing?

Cheap high end ships raises the barrier to PvP for new players, as it pushes the primary limiting factor toward skill points as opposed to ISK. Not only that but it devalues (quite literally) ships and renders losses largely meaningless.

I mean, who cares about a battleship when I can grind another one out in an hour? Supers? Pfft, gimme two weeks and I'll buy you a few. The easier it becomes to replace ships, the less it means when you lose them, and the less diversity you'll see in fleets as players start flying only the higher end ships.

Contrary to popular belief the Eve economy is not the same as a real-world economy, in that the "cost of living" being lowered is not necessarily a good thing.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#65 - 2012-06-18 04:04:52 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
minerals spiked a ton, highends are mostly back to where they were, and low ends are lagging a bit. eh whatever it will sort itself out soon enough

Eh?

High ends are double what they were, and they'll probably raise even more once the enormous stockpiles certain people built up run out. (Not to mention when ring mining makes an appearance)

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-06-18 04:17:33 UTC
evereplicant wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
Sandbox if you don't like it get the resources, built then and sell then

See the solution is very simple and you don't need CCP to solve it


yeah i guess i can get 9000 people just like that to compete with goons.. stop talking total BS!


Sure, blame the goons.

You know what the real BS is. Goons don't set the prices on ships, industrialists do.

You should be angry at the industrialists. These guys made tons of isk off your hard work. They dictate how much they are willing to pay for minerals and what price they are willing to sell hulls. They squeeze every drop of isk they can out of you for ships they themselves probably can't even fly. Can't even sit in station and spin them. They have been exploiting the hard working players of Eve for years, and it is time for this of epic theft of the public good to come to an end.

We, the goons, have created an Eve players utopia. A place where tackle frigates are the birth right of every newbee and all are entitled to cradle to grave battleship reimbursement.

Let us help you OP. Let us help all of Eve realize the dream of an of New Eden that is free from the tyrannical clutches of an industrial class that mocks the plight of the miner and wrings the isk out of PvP'ers. Help us establish a Pure Juche Space Communism where we all benefits from the vast wealth the universe has to offer.


Industrialist swine, your days are numbered.
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#67 - 2012-06-18 04:30:33 UTC
I remember when things were too cheap and people whined and moaned. Goes to show that you can't please anyone.

John Hancock
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#68 - 2012-06-18 04:50:45 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
Sure, blame the goons.

You know what the real BS is. Goons don't set the prices on ships, industrialists do.

You should be angry at the industrialists. These guys made tons of isk off your hard work. They dictate how much they are willing to pay for minerals and what price they are willing to sell hulls. They squeeze every drop of isk they can out of you for ships they themselves probably can't even fly. Can't even sit in station and spin them. They have been exploiting the hard working players of Eve for years, and it is time for this of epic theft of the public good to come to an end.

We, the goons, have created an Eve players utopia. A place where tackle frigates are the birth right of every newbee and all are entitled to cradle to grave battleship reimbursement.

Let us help you OP. Let us help all of Eve realize the dream of an of New Eden that is free from the tyrannical clutches of an industrial class that mocks the plight of the miner and wrings the isk out of PvP'ers. Help us establish a Pure Juche Space Communism where we all benefits from the vast wealth the universe has to offer.


Industrialist swine, your days are numbered.

Nothing like having a newbee on your rear with a point and web.

Remember, they should point before they web.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#69 - 2012-06-18 05:48:21 UTC
If you dont like the price of ships you go out and you go mine the minerals and you make the ship your damn self. Honestly I have beent rying to supply best and cheapest I can but minerals are not easy to come by. Just keep blowing them up ill keep adding more onto the surcharge.

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Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-06-18 05:51:13 UTC
1: Mine the minerals for your ships and modules
2: PVP for FREE

Problem solved now gtfo.

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Arcturus Trask
Arclight Imperium
#71 - 2012-06-18 06:11:11 UTC
Ok, I am old and kinda blind so I really just hang with the Carebears and mine a lot. I love to build ships and train up my main and my alts. Tell you what, I am having more fun right now Mining in High Sec then I ever have before. Since 2006 when I started until now, there has never been something like this. An EPIC Sandbox Arch that effects everyone, everywhere.

For me, I have excitement while I mine, and the rewards for actually playing the game right now is better than ever before. I mine and build ships and most of my Alts have KillMails for winning fights. And I have not lost a ship. And if I loose one tomorrow, the ISK I made last week can replace my entire fleet. Big deal.

I hope CCP keeps their fingers out of everything and let the players handle internal game politics and ideals. That is being there.

I am glad so many people are actively involved in making EvE exciting for everyone again. Being There is Playing the Game.

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Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
#72 - 2012-06-18 06:13:37 UTC
The only thing the inflation really affects are bounty prizes since they never change.
In effect the higher the rewards for mining and manufacture the less is the cost of a PLEX in real terms.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-06-18 06:18:06 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
minerals spiked a ton, highends are mostly back to where they were, and low ends are lagging a bit. eh whatever it will sort itself out soon enough

Eh?

High ends are double what they were, and they'll probably raise even more once the enormous stockpiles certain people built up run out. (Not to mention when ring mining makes an appearance)

You need to look further back than that, i.e. closer to where EVE started.

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Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-06-18 06:20:46 UTC
People are still PVPing in Tengus and the like. --> Ships are still not expensive enough.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2012-06-18 06:37:07 UTC
EVE, free market economy in principle, applied and chosen by player interaction. Recognised as one of the strong selling features of the game, long may it stay that way.

Other than the need for an obvious game mechanic associated with the risk/reward issues of differing regions you could argue that the resources may not be so "free", as obviously resources have some unique presences in the topography of EVE as a result of that. I see this as something obviously needed however associated with regional differences associated with their gameplay and the need to apply greater rewards to higher risk areas as is currently the case. The only complaint I have really are the associated monoplies of things as opposed to a sensible gradiated scaling of access to materials and items in the gameplay environment that currently have distinct barriers of access presently.

Player run initiatives IG are valid aspects therefore in this "persistant" MMO, as to how how you can effect the game for others. The retaliation to these issues is haveing or organising counters and abilities to effect a balance or address those concerns to change the situation the other way. But in a "sandbox" game with freedom to apply changes to the persistant nature of it, complaining about those dynamics and wanting to apply invalid stabalisers to those effects isn't in the "healthy" interests of the game, imho

Yes the economy might need tweaking by CCP from time to time as it isnt a fully stable platform with self regulatory interests or even mechanics that can support those ideals fully. But in conclusion I'm more leaning to the understanding that it is"working as intended".

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Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-06-18 06:41:17 UTC
Commit Sudoku
Perkone
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-06-18 06:41:28 UTC
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#78 - 2012-06-18 06:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
I bow for Grumpy's wisdom. The EvE market fluctuates, and always has been fluctuating between cheap/expensive. So far I always adapted & still have a blast with the game. When the market is cheap, I tend to overbuy mods/ships, so I'm ready should they rise in price again.
When things are expensive, I still buy stuff, mainly to replace what I lost & where I don't have a backup from. Albeit this will usually be T1 stuff or frigs.

In short: the market's fine, doesn't need CCP intervention.

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#79 - 2012-06-18 06:56:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
I always find it interesting when ISK rich veteran EVE players get on new or ISK poor players cases about how they should have the ISK to pay for things that are quite obviously inflated.
The new players of today aren't particularly ISK-poor, though, since there are far more, far better, and far easier ways to make money these days. In particular, the price increases we've seen have largely been due to a slump in the kinds of activity that new players often engage in…

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Also find it funny when people suggest you can just build an Alliance of 1-9000 just like that. If it could be done, it would be done.
What's particularly funny is that it can be done and it has been done.


Please remind me when the last time that happened was? Test?
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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#80 - 2012-06-18 07:09:37 UTC
This thread has gone on for far longer than I thought it would from the OP. Not a bad bit of trolling, nobody can resist the obvious moron.

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