EVE General Discussion

So much so that we are the reason CCP never finished up with the Jove stuff. We are just so powerful and mysterious that they didn't have to bother making npcs to fill that role.

Next CSM, we are pushing for a goon faction ship. It will jam like a blackbird and use rifters like drones.

Problem is there is no effective way to secure an alliance of disparate groups against infiltration and alliance disband which is surely what would happen. Until CCP spend some programming effort giving us configuration options on how we want to run alliances to specific purposes (for example a hisec mass wardec alliance would not be run or configured to work the same way as a tight 4-5 corp lowsec pirate alliance) then its not going to be a very feasible project.

For example, if we wanted to move our current 46 allies over into a single alliance shell that could join the goon wardec for free (assuming for a moment that we don't count the 6-7 actual alliances that are allied) then we'd need to create an additional 46 alt corps (for a total of 92 member corps) simply to ensure that the alliance is not disbanded by infiltration. Since each alt corp needs at least one account in it to stay functional and click the support button thats a minimum of 16 accounts devoted purely to anti infiltration technqiues and is quite a ridiculous length to go to simply to continue what we have already.

The alliance structure would cost 1b isk to set up, 16 trial accounts full of alts, and 200m a month maintenance fee. With an additional one account full of alts per 3 additional members (+6 maintenance per month.)

Very quickly running this kind of thing would become a full time job which is quite the disproportionate :effort: to go to when opposing a dec of 50m per week and a couple of dozen random stealth bombers at trade hubs.

As always with the type of grand vision suggested by the poster above - Eve makes things far more complicated than it needs to be.

Well obviously hisec trade hub raider friends are not going to be as tight as formal alliance members in some nullsec pact that are only brought into the game from 3rd party forums are they?

Really. The whole point of the Inferno 1.0 wardec allies system seemed to be to provide a quicker and neater way of growing dynamic war situations in the sandbox.

But sure, you can always trot out the "well you should be more like us!" reponse - but the reality is quite a few people don't want to the play the game precisely how the nullsec blocs are playing the game - they like their independence.

And lets remember another reality here. This is not hisec wardec people asking for a change in the in game to their benefit.

The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.

By "more like us", you mean actual trustworthy allies to eachother and not just opportunistic bandwagoners right? Oh wait, highsec. Right.

I'm not really sure how making just about every initated wardec unwinnable for any corp or alliance of equal or lesser size than the defender makes the game "dynamic". There's a lot of buzzwords and begging the question in here. I'm sure you'd like to explain in a way that actually makes sense.

Oh really? You have the CCP email/evemail transcripts and the CSM minutes to show who is asking for these changes or are you still on some kick about how Goons are totally afraid of you and your super scary allies list?

Ive returned after a very long break and its really noticeable how the culture has changed. It really is a goon led status quo now. All the pirate corps and many nullsecers seem to aspire to be them, using the same language and purveying the same points of view. They seem to be the cool kids now where even CCP (to appear in-touch with the community) have adjusted. Annoyingly its become seriously uncool to like WiS, so now any self-respecting player who values there image wont talk about it, even if they secretly want it lol.

Dont get me wrong, i like having the goons around and would feel sad if they left. They are easier to hate than BOB, they make a better nemesis and the drama they create is good but for me some drawbacks:

1) Really like the new senior producer guy, looks professional, but this "spaceship development only" plan demonstrates a complete win for the anti-WiS lobbyists.

2) There is probably no chance i will ever attend Fanfest. I watched that latest Alliance Panel and it was terrible, you could see how embarrassed CCP Xagon <--sp? was, it was cringe worthy. I would not be surprised if speakers are told they must be sober to attend next time.

3) I have never been ganked in Hi-sec but i don't think its right that players make disposable alts in disposable ships and gank with total impunity. There should be more consequence, its an act of war and CONCORD should issue free wars for a gank.

4) So many reasons but im at work

So...

CCP, dont cave to goons or at least try and resist!

We are clearly not all-powerful because we would scrub clean these forums of moronically bad analogies and terrible shitposts. But here we are in this thread.

The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.

Jade less words more of this:

but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right?

No I wasn't there, but there again, I'm "NOT" claiming to believe or attempting to prove that any "special" relationship of corruption actually exists either. I'm merely objectively stating how GSF promoted their influence in response to a comment.