EVE General Discussion

Hardly - the 1.1 wardec system is massively stacked in favour of numbers pressed within the same alliance structure. Its "balanced" on numbers of discrete entities rather than numbers of pilots - hence the problem you allude to is only made worse because the CFC side of the wardec (defensively) only ever needs a couple of allies to add 15000 pilots to the dec.

Or to illustrate.

9000 people wardec 100. It costs them 50m per week. For the same money the defender can count on themselves, one free ally, 2nd ally for 10 per 2 weeks, 3rd ally for 20 per 2 weeks, 3rd ally for 40 per 2 weeks - and a 4th ally would mean they are paying more than the attacker is.

Whereas.

100 people wardec 9000. It costs them 500m per week. For the same money the defender can count on themselves, one free ally, 2nd ally for 10 per 2 weeks, 3rd ally for 20 per 2 weeks, 3rd ally for 40 per 2 weeks, 4th ally for 80 per 2 weeks, 5th ally for 160 per 2 weeks, 6th ally for 320 per 2 weeks, 7th ally for 640 per 2 weeks (would mean they are now paying more attacker.

Put simply the system means that a giant alliance can have twice as many allies as a smaller alliance before losing out on the financial balance of wardec costs. (or the bigger you are the more free allies you are allowed without paying more than the attacker).

That's what I've been telling everyone...

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw The Mittani talking to CCP Soundwave at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

It's basically getting nerfed to oblivion in just about every way you can imagine.

1. ally contracts restricted to 2 week slots with no auto renewal
2. no allies in mutual wars.
3. exponential cost for every ally that joins a war beyond the first. 10,20,40,80,160,320 etc ... 44 allies now costs something ridiculous like 20 sextillion or something.

It sounds like it would be just so much cheaper to form an alliance. By the way...

So how did your "Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free!" thing work out for you? Is it going good? Did you get the results you wanted or are you going to have to formulate another test?

1. Allies are not locked into a "foreverwar"
2. You made it mutual, so you can handle it on your own. Right? Otherwise wait a week for it to be over and they can't dec you for another week.
3. Choose your allies wisely, rather than having anybody with a pulse and can hit the F1 key join your little war.

Yeah, problem with your plan is that there aren't those many people actually playing Eve.

When 90% of the people I know have 5+ alts, you know that the actual Eve community is quite small.

Going through all the ally notifications, and there are just a ridiculous amount under 10 member corporations. Lots of 3 member ones, which I bet are all characters on 1 person's account.

Again, I really don't care how the mechanics of wardecs work. Its kind of cool that Jade found a way to push the envelope on the current system, but the end result was just a billion personal tax dodging corps getting what amounts to a vanity wardec. They can say they went to war with the CFC for no effort or cost.

It would be cool if it really did get disparate groups to work together, but then again, those groups could just form an alliance and wardec as a single entity. But putting together an effective alliance is player made content, and we know most highsec dwellers have trouble grasping that idea.

"The current number of accounts is well over 340,000 and with the launch of Tyrannis in June account numbers have continued to increase into Q3 of 2010."

accounts, not individual players

Problem is there is no effective way to secure an alliance of disparate groups against infiltration and alliance disband which is surely what would happen. Until CCP spend some programming effort giving us configuration options on how we want to run alliances to specific purposes (for example a hisec mass wardec alliance would not be run or configured to work the same way as a tight 4-5 corp lowsec pirate alliance) then its not going to be a very feasible project.

For example, if we wanted to move our current 46 allies over into a single alliance shell that could join the goon wardec for free (assuming for a moment that we don't count the 6-7 actual alliances that are allied) then we'd need to create an additional 46 alt corps (for a total of 92 member corps) simply to ensure that the alliance is not disbanded by infiltration. Since each alt corp needs at least one account in it to stay functional and click the support button thats a minimum of 16 accounts devoted purely to anti infiltration technqiues and is quite a ridiculous length to go to simply to continue what we have already.

The alliance structure would cost 1b isk to set up, 16 trial accounts full of alts, and 200m a month maintenance fee. With an additional one account full of alts per 3 additional members (+6 maintenance per month.)

Very quickly running this kind of thing would become a full time job which is quite the disproportionate :effort: to go to when opposing a dec of 50m per week and a couple of dozen random stealth bombers at trade hubs.

As always with the type of grand vision suggested by the poster above - Eve makes things far more complicated than it needs to be.