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When the new rules for being mean kick in....

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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-06-17 15:09:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Delen Ormand
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Simetraz wrote:


Is there a thread on this or a news report cause this is the first time I heard of this.
Generally when you come out with something like this you post the link for reference so people can actually see what you are talking about.


Top sticky in these forums:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115431&find=unread

I will have to dig around for the post from CCP that presents the new rules and when they become active.


From that link:

this thread will remain open to answer any questions you might have.

Wouldn't it make sense to ask in that thread instead then?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#42 - 2012-06-17 15:38:09 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


I do not expect any of the standard denizens on the forum to know the mechanics.
But I would certainly expect there are multiple people online, be them CCP employees or members of the new CCL, who have read these posts, and DO know the mechanics.

Instead of them answering, I have been threatened by people "reporting me for rumour mongering".


Is it possible, just possible, that the standard denizens on the forum don't care about the mechanics?
Is it possible, perhaps, that there is in fact a stickied thread at the top of this forum for the purposes of asking these questions?
Is it also possible that you may have other means of having your questions or concerns addressed such as a petition?

You don't expect the standard denizens on the forums to know the mechanics but you created a thread to ask us anyway. Isn't that kind of dumb and just asking for trouble?

It seems to me that truth behind your thread is to point at a process being implemented and then citing a specific alliance, not by name of course because that would be crossing the line, and sowing seeds of mistrust and discontent. What is your motive for doing that?

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Rene Fullchest
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-06-17 15:40:35 UTC
My hemorrhoids are inflammatory - will that get me banned?
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#44 - 2012-06-17 15:47:39 UTC
Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Big smile

So close...
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-06-17 15:51:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Big smile


Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat.

Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be an idiot about it.

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#46 - 2012-06-17 15:53:12 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Big smile


Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat.

Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be a idiot.


Apparently forum humor is a dead art.

So close...
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-06-17 15:56:23 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Big smile


Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat.

Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be a idiot.


Apparently forum humor is a dead art.


Recognised, hence why "don't be daft". Maybe I should have added please?

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#48 - 2012-06-17 15:59:21 UTC
Actually i probably don't really know what daft means, I felt insulted.

So close...
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-06-17 16:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Actually i probably don't really know what daft means, I felt insulted.


Given the context and gravity of the situations involved and how it has made CCP change rulings (hopefully for the betterment of posting however), I'm kind of saying it's a bit irresponsible to potentially try to aggrevate the situation purley for "shiggles"?

Though having to explain the above makes me feel slightly patronising, but in response to your comment about feeling insulted, I didnt really mean it as derogatory at all.

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#50 - 2012-06-17 16:06:42 UTC
No, I looked it up, not what I thought it meant. Lol But interestingly enough, I did feel insulted at first, perhaps I could have gotten you banned! P

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-06-17 16:12:30 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
No, I looked it up, not what I thought it meant. Lol But interestingly enough, I did feel insulted at first, perhaps I could have gotten you banned! P


Maybe so? Maybe you should report me purely as a test of the new rulings just to be sure of the situation? BlinkRoll

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#52 - 2012-06-17 16:16:42 UTC
No, because I'm sure it would work. Someone reported me for sending an obviously not serious nigerian prince ingame mail just to see what would happen, and I got a warning, leading me to believe no one bothered reading it, which saddens me.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-06-17 16:27:19 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
No, because I'm sure it would work. Someone reported me for sending an obviously not serious nigerian prince ingame mail just to see what would happen, and I got a warning, leading me to believe no one bothered reading it, which saddens me.


Seems to be a pattern emerging. Maybe adjusting to use a more direct approach in context perhaps to discuss the subject material then that concerned you? It might make things more easy to understand than applying cryptic games? Realise that might not be the most "fun" way of doing it for you, but prinicpally it kind of helps the other party understand what your on about in theory. And doesn't leave them second guessing your orginal intent?

In short I think CCP are kind of asking people to work with them to improve EVE.

But its a fair comment we don't want to lose creativity or "out of the box" thinking in that process.

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#54 - 2012-06-17 16:31:52 UTC
You have a point, though I think its odd in a game where everyone is supposedly smarter than all the other MMO players that things have to be spelled out for them.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-06-17 16:37:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Ituhata Saken wrote:
You have a point, though I think its odd in a game where everyone is supposedly smarter than all the other MMO players that things have to be spelled out for them.


Well thats a professionalism debate really when it comes to the relationship with CCP. As such I'm no longer the best person to ask official questons about most effective communications with them. Kind of thinking that the being clear and co-operative methodology might prove results however.

Guess I need to qualify that being co-operative doesnt mean being subserviant.

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Rene Fullchest
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-06-17 21:52:36 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Big smile


Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat.

Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be an idiot about it.


There may be a marked difference, but where that mark lies is almost universally different for each individual.

Also, Freedom of Expression does, in fact, include the freedom to be an idiot. (see American Tea Party in current context).
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-06-17 23:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Let me dust off my tin foil hat while I think about the implications of silencing any criticism towards those in power and controlling rumors. Big smile


Don't be daft, there's a marked difference between freindly debate of subject material and being an asshat.

Freedom of expression does not mean freedom to be an idiot about it.


There may be a marked difference, but where that mark lies is almost universally different for each individual.

Also, Freedom of Expression does, in fact, include the freedom to be an idiot. (see American Tea Party in current context).


Why did it have to turn into an "Amercian" rights issue?

Put into context for you then and purely as an example to entertain the diversion, does freedom of expression allow you to incite someone to enact a crime? Would this be viewed by you as idiotic to try?

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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-06-18 10:36:31 UTC
Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Will this post alone get me banned because someone will state it is inflammatory, or it hurts their feelings?

Who precisely will be the detective, judge, jury, and executioner?

Will it be the new eager "volunteers" that CCP is looking for?
And who precisely will these new forum police be?
I think it would be very enlightening once they are all hired to see EXACTLY what corp/alliance they belong to.
I am reasonably certain that a certain 9000 char alliance might, just might, be flooding CCP with apps.
But CCP will never give that info out.

Also, will these folks be going back and retroactively start permabanning accounts for comments made last week, last month ,or last year??


Bottom line is, it wont work, people will see a post by sumone they hate or from an alliance they hate and will cite a stupid reason to lock the post and when that person reposts it because he is angry he will then receive a forum ban. The forums will die off and eve will suffer.

Aslong as CCP continue to think the answer is in the player base and not themselves, any idea on this scale will fail.

CCP need to stop this *we dont interfere crap* and start sorting there game out instead of being cowards and *worrying* about people who will nerd rage and quit cause there fav tool no longer works

CCP is doooooooooommmmmmeeeeeeeddddd


You're assuming that the only posters are those that rage and conduct personal attacks. Frankly, there are many posters who don't engage in such treatment of other posters, myself included. I think it's a good move but, we'll see. Typical innocent trolling might suffer..........*sniff*

Don't ban me, bro!
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#59 - 2012-06-18 10:56:49 UTC
Op's answer can be easily had and not this way since CCP NEVER discusses moderation (why/how/when/howlong/who) on the forums.
So, all the OP has to do is file a petition and wait.
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#60 - 2012-06-18 11:08:32 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Will this post alone get me banned because someone will state it is inflammatory, or it hurts their feelings?

Who precisely will be the detective, judge, jury, and executioner?

Will it be the new eager "volunteers" that CCP is looking for?
And who precisely will these new forum police be?
I think it would be very enlightening once they are all hired to see EXACTLY what corp/alliance they belong to.
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