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Balance t3 BC's as a priority CCP
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Reid Lutman
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-17 10:53:49 UTC
I like the idea of the t3 bc but as it stands now they are overpowered.
They are too fast. They're the new vaga/cyna. So what purpose do those ships have now?
Don't wait till next year for the balancing because this is a glaring problem.
Do it soon please.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#2 - 2012-06-17 11:27:04 UTC
high damage paper thin. perfectly balanced for their price tag.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-17 11:50:22 UTC
There are no T3 BCs.
Going to go ahead and assume you meant tier 3 BCs.

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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-06-17 12:24:29 UTC
I'm gonna hazard a guess at the OP trying to take on a tier 3 gang in a load of bricked out blasterthrons or something.

I say this because I happen to know that if you have weapons capable of hitting them they pop hilariously fast.
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-17 13:18:28 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
There are no T3 BCs.
Going to go ahead and assume you meant tier 3 BCs.


Tier 3 = T3
Tech 3 = T3

No reason to be a complete idiot about it is there, since the OP never said anything wrong.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-06-17 13:44:09 UTC
Cynabals are the new Vagabond and have been for some time. Also, when complaining about tier3 BC's, do you have problem with all of them or just the Tornado?
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-17 15:04:16 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Cynabals are the new Vagabond and have been for some time. Also, when complaining about tier3 BC's, do you have problem with all of them or just the Tornado?


There are the Winmatards, and then there are everyone else. Tier 3 BC category is no exception. Let's work on that.Smile
Limvala Adur
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-17 19:24:52 UTC
Seems like people aren't familiar with the Talos and what it can do. Shame.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-06-17 20:47:55 UTC
Limvala Adur wrote:
Seems like people aren't familiar with the Talos and what it can do. Shame.


Since OP is talking about tier3 BC's being the new Vagabond/Cynabal, I'm guessing he's not talking about the Talos, which in general, flies different.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-17 21:20:25 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
There are the Winmatards, and then there are everyone else. Tier 3 BC category is no exception. Let's work on that.Smile


Tornado is the weakest of the Tier 3s, easily.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-06-18 01:11:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Mfume Apocal wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
There are the Winmatards, and then there are everyone else. Tier 3 BC category is no exception. Let's work on that.Smile


Tornado is the weakest of the Tier 3s, easily.


That doesn't mean it's bad btw, just that in any specific role, there is another Tier 3 that does things better, Talos is better for solo/small gang stuff, Naga is superior for sniper gangs, Oracle is superior for outright brawling gangs and can function as a something resembling an AHAC, but with a third more DPS and more range.

Tornado still has it's niche (alpha) which makes the balance between Tier 3s pretty good really. And I don't see how they are bad for overall game ecology, they obsoleted certain fleet comps but they were mostly dead anyway.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-18 02:11:54 UTC
Did someone's ship just get popped by one?



IMO I'd like to see a separate BS version of them that is more useful to people outside of PvP.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-18 02:21:54 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
There are no T3 BCs.
Going to go ahead and assume you meant tier 3 BCs.


Tier 3 = T3
Tech 3 = T3

No reason to be a complete idiot about it is there, since the OP never said anything wrong.


tier 3 =/= T3
there's a pretty significant difference.

in any case, you totally missed the point of my useless post on a useless thread.

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Raven Hyperbollic
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#14 - 2012-06-18 02:32:04 UTC
Limvala Adur wrote:
Seems like people aren't familiar with the Talos and what it can do. Shame.


And what the talos Cannot do... all teir3 BC's have a massive defence hole.
Limvala Adur
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-06-18 03:34:16 UTC
Raven Hyperbollic wrote:
Limvala Adur wrote:
Seems like people aren't familiar with the Talos and what it can do. Shame.


And what the talos Cannot do... all teir3 BC's have a massive defence hole.


Simply read what Mfume wrote, he beat me to it.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-06-18 09:40:29 UTC
Linna Excel wrote:

IMO I'd like to see a separate BS version of them that is more useful to people outside of PvP.


there are already BS versions of them ingame. They're called battleships and you use them for missions 'n stuff.
Reid Lutman
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-06-18 11:48:20 UTC
Actually, i take it back Big smile their not too quick. I just tested them all out on singularity with 1 nanofiber and 1 overdrive. Tornado won, flying at just under 2k m/s.

I still think as an overall package their perhaps too strong.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2012-06-18 12:06:39 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
There are no T3 BCs.
Going to go ahead and assume you meant tier 3 BCs.


Tier 3 = T3
Tech 3 = T3

No reason to be a complete idiot about it is there, since the OP never said anything wrong.


Tier 3 = Tr3

This has been suggested and supported as the correct abbreviation for tier 3 battlecruisers.

.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-06-18 12:09:07 UTC
Reid Lutman wrote:
Actually, i take it back Big smile their not too quick. I just tested them all out on singularity with 1 nanofiber and 1 overdrive. Tornado won, flying at just under 2k m/s.

I still think as an overall package their perhaps too strong.



The only thing really boring is 2K+speed Tornados, that's not even funny and gives another kick in the balls of Vaga already double kicked by Cynabal.
It (Tornado) has as much ehp but a much higher dps, easily fit arty or autos but for a third of the price (I actually don't even buy Vagas/Munnin any more). Then you have Cynabal, relegating Vagabond to a simple bonified worthless paper thin T1 hull.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-06-18 12:14:47 UTC
Duchess Starbuckington wrote:
I'm gonna hazard a guess at the OP trying to take on a tier 3 gang in a load of bricked out blasterthrons or something.
Does it matter? the thread's still here and the query still posed.
Linna Excel wrote:
Did someone's ship just get popped by one?
Does it matter? the thread's still here and the query still posed.

imo, the tech 3's should have a profile that more matches their damage output (i.e. bigger sig radius). Maybe a couple other changes. The tier 3's, pfft, a weak ass ship that has a high dps but will take damage fairly equivalent to a BS. Sure I'm ok with this.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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