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Not yet, but all these Goon tears, lucky your friends in CCP have fixed it for you hey

Tal

You are forgetting one small, yet critically important, thing.

Realistically, you dont pay some 3rd party a fee when you attack another country.
I've been a part of 3 real wars now and I can tell you, we never had to pay the U.N. for the privilege.

Your cost is time, personel & materielle (resources), political collateral and risk.
You bring that cost with you when you fight and your success determines how much it comes out to.

Sure, by default this prevents smaller entities from going mano-a-mano with larger ones, but that does not mean it's prohibitive for smaller guys to do so. Inversely so, it costs more for larger entities to engage in war, regardless of how powerful they are and how certain the outcome. Even if a shot isn't fired, just organizing and moving a massive forse costs time and resources.

So, the current fee system IS indeed a little bit backwards.

If anything, it should cost the larger alliances more money and it should be near costless for corporation of less than 10 people.
The FEE should reflect the empires tolerance of allowing the war to happen, to pay for the disturbance and to simulate "logistical costs". Larger entities cost more to move and are a larger source of potential destruction, they should pay a larger fee. Not cause a larger fee for their adversaries.

The fee schedule needs to change for sure, I really dont understand why CCP is having such a hard time with this. They hired an economist for the economy, maybe its time they get a military expert in a few fields to help get past the logic of it.

On a good note - The Merc system is perfect. They need to leverage it more and let people use the money for that. Perfect for corps who dont want to have a constant pewpew fleet, but who have the money to make friends. Get rid of the fees on that, let the market determine cost.

Has anyone yet explained how more hisec wardecs hurt nullsec alliances who are already constantly wardecced and do all of their logistics with neutral alts?

I mean, as much as you want to believe in goondev conspiracies because-----Edit-----, the entire thing falls apart based on that simple oversight.


No personal attacks, please.

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Sadly there should have been a difference modifier on war decs.

100 person corp wardec 100 person corp the cost should be 50 mill
100 person corp wardec 50 person corp the cost should be 75 mill (50 base plus 25 difference at .5 m ISK each)

I just looked at 5 pages, approximately 3 days, of goon losses on eve kill. The most expensive loss was a 200m recon; the average loss would be around a destroyer or cruiser, and most of the ones I checked died fighting instead of getting "ganked". This is also compared to the other hundred or so daily losses in nullsec and lowsec.

So again, what effect do you think wardecs actually have on goonswarm? Furthermore, what difference does having additional decs have on top of any supposed impact?

The true punch line is that it's people in hisec who suffer from ****** mechanics, not nullsec players. So the experience of average joe hisec, whom this actually impacts, is meaningless compared to the perceived experience of goonswarm, whom this in no way impacts.

This post is quality and firmly explains why war decs don't have a real effect on null sec alliances who are established. Now back to the real reason for this post. War decs they are to expensive....

So that goon Ark that died is fake?

1) This is hardly the thread to be dicussing this really.
2) Surely you don't imagine this is the first moron to move things in a JF with both active wardecs running AND a character in-corp? I promise, I can show you funnier lossmails than that. Some idiot lost their personal reactions moving things the wrong way with the wrong ship on the wrong character. So what?

And bigger armies aren't more expensive. Because.

And 5 tribes/countries jumping on and killing one more successful tribe/country happens all the time.

Unless you can whine like a little girl to the Devs for "fairness"... ie not having to fight more than one person at a time.

In real life, that's how fights work. If five Lete jump on someone in front of his thirty friends in your Lete cool Goon shirts, they all stand and watch while you do it.

Right? Right?

You know what happens when there is an AFK cloaky in Local.

It shuts down all activity in the Null system.