Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I fail to see why this would require a lot more coding than a normal ship change. Some freighters have all slots now, just not many. A sigil has a single high slot that can carry a weapon. Low level freighters have low and med slots that would enable them to use tank modules. Ive never done a t3 or even a t2 ship, but from what Ive heard their ability to have various slots and armor are dependant on the way they are put together. a q-ship would be no different.

I dont believe this would require any additional coding other than that used when other "niche" things are added, such as ore ship or salvage ships or electronic warfare ships.



Ive not been in a rokh so I dont know much about it, but if they are that great at attacking and defending themselves, are they ever targeted that much? The purpose of these is to make the miner or freighter a target that gankers will want to attack, only its able to defend itself.

Ww2 q-ships were designed to take out subs, not warships. They took out a lot of subs. We dont have subs in the game, but we do have gankers. They operate very simular to the subs of ww2. Both subs and gankers target those that they believe cant defend themselves. Ww2 had the q-ships to make them think twice and to get them when they didnt. What do miners and freighters have to use when they want to make gankers think twice?



Even tanked out to the max, the Hulk would still be an easy target. It could never attack back. Your right, they were designed to take out subs, because warships almost never got that close to freighters. Most freighters could out run most combat ships and would head for safety the second they saw the smoke from the combat ships. They wouldnt wait for a confirmation of which side the ship was on. Subs could get up close without being seen.

Gankers appear to be other miners or even friendlies, until they attack. that means they can get upclose and personal. Except in low sec, no one is simply going to run at the first sight of another ship. With the warp capabilities, by the time you realise they are there, they are in position to attack. That makes gankers more like subs than warships.



I fail to see how either of those allow someone to fight back. By the time you can operate those fields, your ship is likely to be dead anyway, meaning no one is going to be able to come to your rescue.

If only CCP could react as fast as WW2 US Navy we could have had it. But you know what else reacts as slow as they? The comment ques...

thats a possiblity, but wouldnt it still be scanable? perhaps it could have a module that would allow people to spoof other cargo.

As I understand it, the same arguement was made for salvaging ships, yet we have the noct.

I love how every time anyone suggests an alternative, you just say you don't know how it works and ignore the point entirely.

Want an industrial bait ship? Tank a deep space transport. Want a tanky miner? Use a battleship, or wait for the patch CCP say will contain skiffs with battleship grade tank.

Also, I doubt very much that frigates attacked you in lowsec on a gate, as gate guns vaporise them far too quickly to make it worthwhile.

And incidentally, from skimming wikipedia, other than 14 subs in world war one, Q-ships don't seem to have actually killed anything.

And furthermore, our submarines are called stealth bombers.

Then use the tactics currently available to you, a gimped mining ship would die in a fire in PvP and we don't need to devote dev time to something only you would use.

(not to mention the fact that you'd only use it once, then stop once you realise it isn't any use)

THATS THE POINT. The tactics I want to use ARENT available.

Whose going to attack a mining ship that can obviously defend itself?

Whose going to attack a freighter that isnt carrying any cargo but is tanked out to the wazoo?

THE ONLY reason it wouldnt be worth it is if people stopped ganking mining ship or freighters and that would be a victory to the q-ships.

The tactics you want to use suck, don't achieve anything (you'd still die) and would be a total waste of dev time.

You dont understand the tactics then.

Gankers will only risk the number of ships that they need to take out a miner or freighter. IF they scan it (and they almost certainly will), they will know its set up for tanking, and thus will either ignore it, or bring in a larger fleet.

Having a q-miner means that if they scan it, they will think its untanked, and thus vernable. They will then calculate how many ships it will take, and that will be the number that they risk. Because of its hidden armor and such, the q-ship will NOT DIE most of the time.

Unless you area developer, you dont know if its a waste of their time or not.

Obviously, because of your hatred of this idea, you are one of the ones that would be disadvantaged by it.

So you know ever single player that kills in low sec and they all do it exactly the same way.

What do gankers use when they know they are going to lose their ships to gate guns? Why use expensive ships to take out a easy to kill industrial freighter?

Maybe it was the only time it has ever happened in the histroy of the game, but I KNOW it happened.

Your board doesnt show if you were ever doing ransom at gates. Did you? What did you use, knowing the gate guns would shoot you down?