Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh, so you're saying they should specialcase T2 ships so it'll also drop the T2 part of its input as raw materials, and completely ignore the T1 part.

Instead of, you know, waiting for the ringmining thing they keep talking about.

Currently, salvage goes to building rigs. Why should salvaging be expanded into returning T2 stuff, why shouldn't it also include T1 then, and why shouldn't we just wait for ringmining if this tech issue is such a big deal?

T2 ships have a lot of other materials than just technetium. They also have normal minerals, why exclude them and focus squarely on tech?

In other words, if the wreck being salvaged is a T2 hull, spawn technetium? None of the other T2 raw materials? Why raw materials and not some of the T2 components being used to upgrade the T1 hull to a T2 hull? Why not the T1 minerals?

Stop dancing around the questions and actually answer this one. Why only tech, why not the other t2 materials?

I miss mission rewards giving out T2 construction comps

(See above, explains reasoning)

The proposals are for possibilities for technetium rewards from "salvaging", a task associated with specialised techniques to find viable components from ship wrecks. Its added playability associated with being able to extract the technetium from ships with this profession.

Shoe on the other foot: Please provide reasoning as to why only moon goo (as current) should be the only methodology of aquiring technetium. I'm expecting ring mining to expand on possibilities of sharing out the technetium supply so why not add small benefit possibilites to salvaging at the same time in a similar manner?

Technetium isn't the only type of moongoo out there. You keep limiting it to just technetium.

I think I already covered this as a possibility. But the inclusion of more t2 build products even if slight on the market will actually help to reduce prices as presumably it can be sold more advantageously by more than just a select few. As such it may help to actually reduce T2 prices a little but I wouldn't expect it to be game breaking. As with all aspects of the economy a sweet spot can be found that usually self regulates itself. Also if its a marginally small amount then it would not be so much of an issue to where the lions share is, with the current moon goo process.



Totally disagree, t2 build pmaterials are discrete units of components much like salvage components as I explained above. There is no viable way to exclude it from a salvaging option, especially when as you say it can be similrly done with reprocessing. The stipulation I previously made was that as tech it is likley to be fragile and then may effect the number capable of being extracted in the process. Likewise it would be best needed to be an advanced salvaging option with skilling options to cater for some relvance to understanding the tech. (Wether combined with things like Encryption skills from the science category might be a an example of exxisting pre-requisite adaptations to apply here also)



I actually did realise this but will still continue to promote it:

This I concede is likely due to the attraction of added value to salvaging wrecks yes. But it will also provide much more salvage opportunities to classic PvP T2 wrecks also. T2 ships are intrinsically limited by their rareness and costings associated with the production, also with skilling and simply the production volumes capable of sustaining a certain supply in game. It is also intrinsically limited lower than the original source of moon goo needed to actually make the T2 ship in the first place as it only salvages and recycles a small fraction of the original source.

But I concede that this small addition does allow for more profitable encounters with T2 exhumers from ganking. But on the scale of things a few 100k of additional potential materials isnt so important with the total cost of the ships and mods combined in normal exhumer kills. Yet the advent of some additional sources of T2 tech products might actually help to reduce the strangle hold on current recognised controls of some T2 materials (OTEC). Thus reducing the prices of T2 ships margianlly, so overall it actually balances out in theory.

If the current controllers like GSF of some T2 production products are also calling for a nerf on the value of and possibilities of this area of the economy it also provides an overall route to helping that process.

I suppose like the recent changes to R&D where invention costs have marginally risen with Core changes and numbers of these restricted more, (though FW presumably causing a balance? Yet to be seen) it might be viewed that CCP are in fact trying to make the T2 ships more rewarding to obtain and also more rare and beneficial as a result. If that is the case then this model might not be so possible even when economies wont be destabalised by it. But that aslo means that the realtive cost of T2 ships will increase anyhow as CCP introduce more methods for making them less affordable?

So at best, allowing a small fraction to be salvaged might actually help matters, and as a result no objections from gankers getting a small reward in the process. We also have to remember that ganking is still a valid play method and that marginal rewards from changes should still apply for the complete benefit of EVE. Can't have it all one way.

Ganking will still occur even with a small improvement to the pocket and is already out by orders of numbers anyhow. The small additions wont really be so much of and added incentive imho.

Fair enough, include those as well then. Sorry I had assumed Technetium was a term used to qualify the overall range of tech associated with reaction productions for T2 tech materials from Moon goo. (Thats partially ignorance of null moon producton perhaps and the assumptions made from how others talk about it, happy to be educated)

Is there a better term to apply however for the complete range of moon goo Technology applied in T2 ship production?