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Dear miners, take heart, change is coming:
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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-06-15 06:22:07 UTC
Zoe Athame wrote:
in before miners keep losing hulks and whining that they can't have the best tank AND the best efficiency


Pretty much this. The forums are going to explode when these changes come into effect.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#42 - 2012-06-15 06:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
current yield:
==== - mining frigs
===== - procuror
====== - scythe/osprey
======== - retriever
======== - battleship
========= - maxed yield battleship
========== - covetor
=========== - hulk

new yeilds:
====== - ore frig
======== - procuror
========= - retriever
========== - covetor
========= - skiff
========== - mack
=========== - hulk

(these are my own estimates and interpretations on the dev blog, the procuror/skiff and retri/mack will only be a step or two under the hulk instead of leaps)

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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-06-15 06:42:56 UTC
Momoyo wrote:
Im gonna go mine in a procurer now before it becomes cool. Big smile


I think I'm going to procure some procurers.
coolzero
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-06-15 07:01:36 UTC
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.

better but still there is a problem with the skiff...... the drone bay.

it needs to be bigger for a nullsec ship and should at least hold 5 medium drones (maby more becuase you cant use mining drones on mercoxit afaik.)
Tore Vest
#45 - 2012-06-15 07:09:37 UTC
I cant wait for those new mining ships..... P
Its a long time to x-mas tho....

A lot of things can happen before then.....

No troll.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-06-15 07:16:05 UTC
your just jealous that the mining ships are getting adjust. so go back to your null bear land corner before your put in a cage like any pet
Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-06-15 07:28:41 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield Lol and hold to gain this advantage.





Hooo boy. Wiping away those laughter tears.

Taking off 2 strippers to leave the ONE that the silly ship even holds.............yessir, that is only SOME yield I guess.

OMG forbid they ever nerf your PI tax rates by 66%. We will never hear the end of it.

Or give up 66% yield of your OTECMoons. There we go.


/facedesk (/facepalm just didn't cut it). What a glorious idea! Nerf their tech yield, that will teach them! Nerf it into oblivion! Only, ehm, now that that there is only a third of the former amount of tech pouring into the game, my hulk kinda costs three times more and is thus a more juicy gang target. And it has only made the tech holders richer! Foul play! Nerf it more!

If anything, you should lobby for increasing the supply of tech and watch OTEC try to stockpile it and perpetually distrust each other because of the possibility of cashing in.
MarKand
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#48 - 2012-06-15 07:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: MarKand
Greed is good, all gankers can relax. Even with a haulersized cargo emp-miners will still move ore to a can becouse they dont want to move the Hulk out of the spot, with drones of the Hulk on aggro and a canflip, the day is done.

On topic I think this is the secondbest idea for a long time, but I still think the best idea is to remove orebelts from highsec and just have them in missions or probedsites. The very idea that resources respawn in the most dense and populated areas is contraproductiv for the game. Riches by resources should be amassed where the risc meets the value, and not as it is now. With the new friggs commin lowsec mining could be a very profiteble incomme, since they will have a chance to sneak by camped entrypoints.

Regarding the Hulk/Covetor as a soloship, I personally, have always wanted to see a change were co-op ships only actually work in co-op, as an example, make the mindlink of the miningforeman the activationkey for T2 stripminers, wont work without a miningforeman. Mayne a litte to much descriptive to get multiplayer work, but the very idea to have a Deep Space Mining Vessel working roids in highsec is a little alike the idea having a deep sea explorer in the pool, cleaning the tiles.

I know these are old and flamable ideas, but I still think they are valid, when I started playing eve a long time ago, I felt like a explorer back in the 1500 centrury, and all the riches where in the mystic unknown deep space called 0.0. And lowsec, lowsec were the horror stemed sea of pirates and most of all oppertunities, mining omber( even looks like gold) in a trasher, always on the lookout for the ebilpirates, becouse you knew they were comming, just not when :)

Please bring that feeling back! Pretty please...

PS Really good and constructive OP, felt I had to make a post and a edit!
Ned Black
Driders
#49 - 2012-06-15 08:17:56 UTC
Cass Lie wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield Lol and hold to gain this advantage.





Hooo boy. Wiping away those laughter tears.

Taking off 2 strippers to leave the ONE that the silly ship even holds.............yessir, that is only SOME yield I guess.

OMG forbid they ever nerf your PI tax rates by 66%. We will never hear the end of it.

Or give up 66% yield of your OTECMoons. There we go.


/facedesk (/facepalm just didn't cut it). What a glorious idea! Nerf their tech yield, that will teach them! Nerf it into oblivion! Only, ehm, now that that there is only a third of the former amount of tech pouring into the game, my hulk kinda costs three times more and is thus a more juicy gang target. And it has only made the tech holders richer! Foul play! Nerf it more!

If anything, you should lobby for increasing the supply of tech and watch OTEC try to stockpile it and perpetually distrust each other because of the possibility of cashing in.


Actually, they should remove moon mining entirely if you ask me... and if not they really should make it more like PI where the veins go away after a time... not the isk printing machine it is today.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-06-15 08:43:12 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
current yield:
==== - mining frigs
===== - procuror
====== - scythe/osprey
======== - retriever
======== - battleship
========= - maxed yield battleship
========== - covetor
=========== - hulk

new yeilds:
====== - ore frig
======== - procuror
========= - retriever
========== - covetor
========= - skiff
========== - mack
=========== - hulk

(these are my own estimates and interpretations on the dev blog, the procuror/skiff and retri/mack will only be a step or two under the hulk instead of leaps)


Even if your text visualization is not accurate, I do like it. Smile
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-06-15 08:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Grath Telkin wrote:
Sometimes i have to wake up at 6am on a sunday to go defend or repair my moons.
Stop, you're giving me ideas!

coolzero wrote:
better but still there is a problem with the skiff...... the drone bay.

it needs to be bigger for a nullsec ship and should at least hold 5 medium drones (maby more becuase you cant use mining drones on mercoxit afaik.)
I vote 75m3 so you can fit a flight of medium drones and a flight of small drones. I bet there will be stupid noobs who stick 3 large drones in there.

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Sal Alo
Pane Panelle e Crocche
#52 - 2012-06-15 09:57:26 UTC
My impression is that CCCP Big smile won't change the current mining system and its semi-AFK-friendly current status (before <3 Goons) and they'd like to bring that back. IIRC once or twice they had admitted the above pretty explicitly.

Anyway, I could be more interested in the Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similar to the size of a jet canShocked, second best mining output but less EHP (how much less?) than the procurer mining barge.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#53 - 2012-06-15 10:03:01 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Just because you don't see the downside to the moons doesn't meant there isn't one thats there. Moons (even the non broken ones that aren't tech) take a ton of care, feeding, and sometimes ruining a whole day of your life that you'll literally never get back just to deal with.


Hm, does that mean you do boring stuff to earn your ISK, maybe even as boring and non-emergent as mining? Roll
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#54 - 2012-06-15 10:26:25 UTC
Everyone should be happy - it's only 6 months to wait and $90 to pay for hulkageddoners to be able to shoot your barge.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#55 - 2012-06-15 14:24:27 UTC
Ask yourselves this miners: What costs you more ISK? Gankers or >4.00 trit?

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-06-15 14:30:09 UTC
Will they revamp ice mining ???

10 minute cycle ??? Really ???
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-06-15 14:32:30 UTC
Sal Alo wrote:
My impression is that CCCP Big smile won't change the current mining system and its semi-AFK-friendly current status (before <3 Goons) and they'd like to bring that back. IIRC once or twice they had admitted the above pretty explicitly.

Anyway, I could be more interested in the Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similar to the size of a jet canShocked, second best mining output but less EHP (how much less?) than the procurer mining barge.


Yeah, great design scheme ain't it ? The better, more expensive ship (Hulk) shall remain a paper bag.

I'm glad Real Life design is much better than EVE.

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#58 - 2012-06-15 16:20:49 UTC
Yeah, small compact armored trucks aren't as sturdy as tractor trailers.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Raekek
Catharsis.
#59 - 2012-06-15 16:27:35 UTC
I wonder how the mining cruisers will fit into this plan? (Osprey, Exequror, etc.)

They are pretty useless right now. Hopefully they will be rebalanced to fit (viable) support roles or something.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#60 - 2012-06-15 16:33:45 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
your just jealous that the mining ships are getting adjust. so go back to your null bear land corner before your put in a cage like any pet


What? Don't AAA Citizens live in nullsec?

I'm pretty sure most people are down for these kinds of changes.

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