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The Jade Constantine Conspiracy

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-06-14 10:37:58 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Obviously you conveniently forget to include the fact that after Jade organized a sizable force to counter the GSF WarDec

You mean the force which I believe would be 10-20x (if not more) the number we have living in hisec, while repeatedly screaming "OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", all the while whinging about how this was just CCP "giving in to the goons because the goons are afraid"?


Hahaha, what a fail excuse. Man, talk about clutching at straws. Guess it's OK if the shoe is on your foot. Thanks for reinforcing the suspicion.

Doesn't matter how many members are in high security, low security or null security at any given time. What matters is the amount of Alliance members total, not the amount of members living in a specific security segment of the Eve Universe.

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-06-14 10:45:19 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
What a bunch of manure. After reading the first paragraph I knew you wrote a biased prejudiced hypocritical blog filled with half truths and generalizations of real life examples, completely side stepping the issue with sensationalized melodramatic remarks. Point in fact : In real life, there is no limit on amount of Allied forces an entity can have, no participation time limit nor is there an extra cost incurred for having said Allies.



You're paying concord for the right to have your personal grudge with an alliance/corp ignored by them for a set period of time. Basically bribing the cops to look the other way. Why should they accept more looking away than they are paid for?
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#23 - 2012-06-14 11:07:13 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
What a bunch of manure. After reading the first paragraph I knew you wrote a biased prejudiced hypocritical blog filled with half truths and generalizations of real life examples, completely side stepping the issue with sensationalized melodramatic remarks. Point in fact : In real life, there is no limit on amount of Allied forces an entity can have, no participation time limit nor is there an extra cost incurred for having said Allies.



You're paying concord for the right to have your personal grudge with an alliance/corp ignored by them for a set period of time. Basically bribing the cops to look the other way. Why should they accept more looking away than they are paid for?

Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.
Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-06-14 11:15:02 UTC
I must be living in a parrellel game universe to the OP:

Lots of people use in-game mechanics to shoot defenceless targets. Working as intended.
Lots of people use in-game mechanics to shoot powerful targets. Not working as intended.

You can see why this sort of reaction from CCP will generate conspiracy theories, as it looks like you need to have friends in the right places to get things done.

tl/dr Apparently, Goons are the new old-Bob.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-06-14 11:16:08 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Vile rat wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
What a bunch of manure. After reading the first paragraph I knew you wrote a biased prejudiced hypocritical blog filled with half truths and generalizations of real life examples, completely side stepping the issue with sensationalized melodramatic remarks. Point in fact : In real life, there is no limit on amount of Allied forces an entity can have, no participation time limit nor is there an extra cost incurred for having said Allies.



You're paying concord for the right to have your personal grudge with an alliance/corp ignored by them for a set period of time. Basically bribing the cops to look the other way. Why should they accept more looking away than they are paid for?



Maybe since if your looking for a realism argument, GSF is notorised by Concord as being the same organisation that used publicised terrosit tactics on Jita traffic in numbers which was totally against their mandate? Blink

Would be interesting to perhaps consider the average security value of an organisation and have war dec metrics applied in correlation to them. More expensive for criminals as a result. And whilst I recognise that null organisations arent effected by this mechanic on their home ground and wouldn't be potentially recognised as an issue, it might go some way as to determining Concord opinion to the costings associated with the task they have to achieve.

I mean if your going for a realism debate might be wise to apply mechanics in keeping with criminal reputations as a result?

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It's just criminal - Smuggling
Dyllyn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-06-14 11:18:59 UTC
Hauling Hal wrote:

tl/dr Apparently, Goons are the new old-Bob.


When we decided Bob need to die, we didn't spend our time whining about them on GD. We got our act together and kicked them out of EVE. So, how about you and your space men put together an alliance and see if you have what it takes to sprout more than just hot air?
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-06-14 11:21:06 UTC
Hauling Hal wrote:
I must be living in a parrellel game universe to the OP:

Lots of people use in-game mechanics to shoot defenceless targets. Working as intended.
Lots of people use in-game mechanics to shoot powerful targets. Not working as intended.

You can see why this sort of reaction from CCP will generate conspiracy theories, as it looks like you need to have friends in the right places to get things done.

tl/dr Apparently, Goons are the new old-Bob.


Sand only exists in the GSF corner of the sandbox, didnt you get the memo? Blink

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Dyllyn
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-06-14 11:29:39 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Hauling Hal wrote:
I must be living in a parrellel game universe to the OP:

Lots of people use in-game mechanics to shoot defenceless targets. Working as intended.
Lots of people use in-game mechanics to shoot powerful targets. Not working as intended.

You can see why this sort of reaction from CCP will generate conspiracy theories, as it looks like you need to have friends in the right places to get things done.

tl/dr Apparently, Goons are the new old-Bob.


Sand only exists in the GSF corner of the sandbox, didnt you get the memo? Blink


Get some evidence, get some friends, get some balls, get some ships, come to Dek and take the fight to us.
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#29 - 2012-06-14 11:30:51 UTC
Good blog post! It's fairly spot on.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-06-14 11:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Hahaha, what a fail excuse. Man, talk about clutching at straws.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
what a fail excuse

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
a fail

I wish people would stop using this phrase.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Guess it's OK if the shoe is on your foot. Thanks for reinforcing the suspicion.

Huh? What shoe?

Oh, you think I actually care about the difference in numbers? The only reason I pointed out the difference in numbers is your use of the word "sizeable force". It just struck a funny bone, since in null, accusations of "blobbing" usually begin at "my force + 1", not 20x.

But I guess you're going to just gloss over the fact Jade basically abused the system to let everyone who'd wardec us anyways (like 0rphanage etc, who just sit outside jita 4-4 23.5/7, I guess vOv) get in on a wardec for free. And if I'm not mistaken, a devblog said that hole was being plugged, at which point Jade basically began frothing at the mouth bitching about how CCP was in league with goons, and how "the goon leaders were afraid, while the linemembers weren't" (of what, I don't know, Jade never elucidated).

And, of course, now the anti-goon crazy brigade is going to come out in full force, again. Sigh.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#31 - 2012-06-14 11:56:04 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Good blog post! It's fairly spot on.



Considering your part of the issue, piling in on the side of an anti Jade blog which isn't very complimentary, doesn't look very good, and shows you don't have neutrality.

You should not have posted as a CCP rep to be honest.

Tal

HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-06-14 12:02:17 UTC
the new eden goon anti-defamation league is working overtime i see

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-06-14 12:10:11 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Considering your part of the issue, piling in on the side of an anti Jade blog which isn't very complimentary, doesn't look very good, and shows you don't have neutrality.

What if Soundwave has a better and clearer understanding of the situation and the reasoning behind the change than you do? Hmm?

Nah, hang on, he's just the lead designer, what does he know of the reasoning behind any changes made to EVE? What nonsense.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-06-14 12:11:22 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Hahaha, what a fail excuse. Man, talk about clutching at straws.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
what a fail excuse
[quote=DeMichael Crimson]a fail

I wish people would stop using this phrase.

[quote=DeMichael Crimson] Guess it's OK if the shoe is on your foot. Thanks for reinforcing the suspicion.

Huh? What shoe?

Oh, you think I actually care about the difference in numbers? The only reason I pointed out the difference in numbers is your use of the word "sizeable force". It just struck a funny bone, since in null, accusations of "blobbing" usually begin at "my force + 1", not 20x.

But I guess you're going to just gloss over the fact Jade basically abused the system to let everyone who'd wardec us anyways (like 0rphanage etc, who just sit outside jita 4-4 23.5/7, I guess vOv) get in on a wardec for free. And if I'm not mistaken, a devblog said that hole was being plugged, at which point Jade basically began frothing at the mouth bitching about how CCP was in league with goons, and how "the goon leaders were afraid, while the linemembers weren't" (of what, I don't know, Jade never elucidated).

And, of course, now the anti-goon crazy brigade is going to come out in full force, again. Sigh.

Heh, quote me correctly next time instead of manipulating it into a troll.

Anyway, you're like the Kettle calling the Pot black.

Now about abusing the system and bringing in overwhelming numbers, sounds a lot like the current 'Miners are destroying Eve' campaign advertising for everyone to suicide gank mining ships in high security.

I would say 'Deal with it' but obviously a higher power has already done that.

Interesting how only the super large Alliances like this new change, obviously it favors them a lot but hey, keep spouting your rhetoric and maybe you'll be able to pull the wool over the eyes of some more players.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2012-06-14 12:14:21 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Heh, quote me correctly next time instead of manipulating it into a troll.

Anyway, you're like the Kettle calling the Pot black.

Now about abusing the system and bringing in overwhelming numbers, sounds a lot like the current 'Miners are destroying Eve' campaign advertising for everyone to suicide gank mining ships in high security.

I would say 'Deal with it' but obviously a higher power has already done that.

Interesting how only the super large Alliances like this new change, obviously it favors them a lot but hey, keep spouting your rhetoric and maybe you'll be able to pull the wool over the eyes of some more players.



Because most of the swarm is in high secRoll
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#36 - 2012-06-14 12:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Lord Zim wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Considering your part of the issue, piling in on the side of an anti Jade blog which isn't very complimentary, doesn't look very good, and shows you don't have neutrality.

What if Soundwave has a better and clearer understanding of the situation and the reasoning behind the change than you do? Hmm?

Nah, hang on, he's just the lead designer, what does he know of the reasoning behind any changes made to EVE? What nonsense.



As lead designer he should be neutral and not coming in on any side of the argument.

Worrying really

Tal
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-06-14 12:16:28 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Good blog post! It's fairly spot on.



Considering your part of the issue, piling in on the side of an anti Jade blog which isn't very complimentary, doesn't look very good, and shows you don't have neutrality.

You should not have posted as a CCP rep to be honest.

Tal



Agreed, only adds more fuel to the fire.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-06-14 12:18:49 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
As lead designer he should be neutral and not coming in on any side of the argument.

So I guess pointing out that something is close to the truth is "taking sides", when one side is competing in the tinfoilhat of the season competition by sprouting theories about goons telling CCP how to design game mechanics.

Why don't you just come out and say "stop posting, I don't like the things you say" instead of trying to hide behind the "you're not neutral enough" bullshit?

Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Worrying REALLY

Tal

As is your penchant to signing your posts.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-14 12:19:38 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Agreed, only adds more fuel to the fire.

Only to the tinfoilhatbrigade, because he's not agreeing with them.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#40 - 2012-06-14 12:24:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Lord Zim wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Agreed, only adds more fuel to the fire.

Only to the tinfoilhatbrigade, because he's not agreeing with them.


He thought the blog was spot on. How is that not agreeing ?

Tal
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