EVE General Discussion

Join a corp.

At max skill for almost every profession in EVE, whether it is mining, PvP or even PI, solo becomes difficult, expensive or pointless.

What are they going to do, burn ~70km in their thrashers and suicide gank your logi in the 7 seconds they have until concord appear and neut/jam/pop them?

And if you don't want to use T2 logi, use T1. Or a blackbird.

It was a loaded question though.

They weren't actually asking how to maximize yeilds for more profit, but how do you maximize yeilds for more profit to do it less because it's borig to do.



I would think that the only correct answer would be to go do something that doesn't bore the **** out of you?



The OP knows that it's not possible to maximize yeild and tank the ship at the same time. In otherwords, they set a trap and a bunch of people fell for it.

It's another buff miners so they don't have to tank the ships thread.

…which they can also survive.

It's not a moving the goalposts. Gankers with up to 3 gank alts are the majority and oddly enough, the "group up" does not apply to them as it's a soloable thing.

If there were needed 4-5 destroyers then it'd become exponentially harder to find "soloers" with that many accounts.

Therefore any setup unable to stop the "dime a dozen ganker" thresold of 3 accounts is pointless.

This is why I suggest an hulk instead, as they can be made to survive the average 3 account ganker. Macks are only good for trash and for generous giving away of killmails. An Hulk gets within 7% or so of them anyway.

Of course it is.

The OP mentions a single destroyer; I point out that it's easy to survive one.
Jorma moves the goalposts by saying it can't survive three; I point out that with logi and/or by being in a higher-sec system they can.
Jorma moves the goalposts by saying they will bring more people…

It's the very definition of moving the goalposts: when a solution is presented to the stated problem, the problem is restated to ensure that the present solution is wrong (and even then, he fails because the same solution still works — he's just too clueless about game mechanics to know this).

As further ignorance of mechanics, we have…No, and no, in that order. A conservatively fitted Scimi will have 30k+ EHP. One fitted purely for defence will have 60k. In addition, one fitted properly and engaged by large weapons will trivially survive paper damage that is 3–4 times that much… Unfitted, a scimi has over 10k EHP — that's how spectacularly clueless you are about the ships in question.

…and a Tachy Oracle does not do 10k damage per volley.
…and both ships already cost more than 70M, so even by just suggesting them, you've moved the goalposts even further.

…on a ship that costs less than the gank ship they're employing; that can trivially outmanoeuvre the guns the ship is carrying; which is screaming along at 700m/s in a 50km-radius orbit; and which will simply not die to anything less than four or five of those ships. Yeah, no.

By the way, ganking trying and invariably faling to gank the logi is an excellent way of spawning CONCORD, thus ensuring that the actual gank on the miners will now fail before it has even begun.

Mine in a Rokh? I don't know, I've never had the pleasure or the urge to mine with any actual mining craft larger than a Retriever. I guess if you really just gotta mine, you're going to have to make sacrifices right now.



Posts like this are why I love Tip. No fluff, just the facts, ma'am...um, dude. Whatever.

I don't agree. The goalpost would move if it was presented with a viable question to begin with and then a statistically functional solution and then it would indeed move the goal.
As it's posed now it's just a wrong "question" and goal and it's not exactly moved but corrected into the right one.

The right one is to ask for a 3 destroyer survival solution as that's what most of the gankers will show up with, not just 1.

use a retriever? you sacrifice yield, but also limit costs when it gets popped. mine cheaper and longer, not better is really the only defense.

1) roll an alt
2) fly that noobship out to your hauling orca in belt
3) fire a few rounds
4) wait for concordedonkken
5) mine while Concorde guards your boats
6) rinse and repeat