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Drake/Raven with Cruise/Heavy Missiles?

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Sir Muffoon
Project Teaparty
#1 - 2012-06-13 19:50:01 UTC
Ok I know Heavy Assault is standard on Drake, as well as Torps standard on Raven.

But...is there ANY fit that would work with Heavy Missiles or Cruise Missiles? (since thats what I have at LVL 5 right now).

I know it wouldn't be optimal.....but can I make it work? And if not is their a ship that I CAN make it work on?
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-06-13 19:51:44 UTC
Sure. Totally. Depending on what you mean to use it for.

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Sir Muffoon
Project Teaparty
#3 - 2012-06-13 19:52:37 UTC
PVP/Gang PVP for instance?
Perramas
DreddNaut
#4 - 2012-06-13 19:53:10 UTC
I use cruise missiles for PvE on my Raven.

Raven a la Liang

High Slots:

6x Cruise Missile Launcher II
1x Small Tractor Beam I

Mid Slots:

1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
1x Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
3x Mission Specific Hardeners
1x Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter

Low Slots:

4x Ballistic Control System II
1x Damage Control II

Rig Slots:

3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#5 - 2012-06-13 19:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kijo Rikki
Heavy Missiles are more standard than Assaults on Drakes and Crusie on Ravens. Distance over damage is what it equates to, so awesome for pve and has its place in pvp.

EDIT
Quote:
3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


I dunno if you could before but you cant do that now, at 200 calibration you can only fit 2. I myself whent with 1 rigor and 2 flares.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Sir Muffoon
Project Teaparty
#6 - 2012-06-13 19:56:59 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Heavy Missiles are more standard than Assaults on Drakes and Crusie on Ravens. Distance over damage is what it equates to, so awesome for pve and has its place in pvp.

EDIT
Quote:
3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


I dunno if you could before but you cant do that now, at 200 calibration you can only fit 2. I myself whent with 1 rigor and 2 flares.

I see.
I like the fact that the drake has 8 launcher.but I enjoy the Raven Aestically more.
but it only has 6 launcher points

Any advantage to flying the raven?
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#7 - 2012-06-13 20:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Kijo Rikki
The drake only has 7 launcher hardpoints. the 8th slot is for utility. Heavy missiles underperform against large targets compared to a cruise raven, but are similar or better on cruiser and below. The drake has a superior passive tank, the raven is an active tanked ship that can run into trouble if not managed properly.

You can make a permatank raven but then you're gimping DPS to near what a drake puts out.

EDIT: with proper battleship and cruise skills using the liang nuren fit you will destroy battleships in PVE compared to a drak,e hands down. You will finish missions at least 50% faster if not better.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#8 - 2012-06-13 20:00:38 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Heavy Missiles are more standard than Assaults on Drakes and Crusie on Ravens. Distance over damage is what it equates to, so awesome for pve and has its place in pvp.


Yeah I was just gonna say that I very rarely see HAM's on the drakes that pvp me which I've always have found weird because they usually stay in scram range anyways (regardless if they actually put one on or not). In fact I almost always see the standard pve shield tank build with maybe a invuln replaced with a scram, web, or speed booster and the pilot tries to pass it off as a combat ship when all it really does is prolong their death rather than prevent it.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#9 - 2012-06-13 20:00:48 UTC
I put a heavy missile launcher on a Thrasher. Uses lots of powergrid. Crap tank - great little ratting dessy though but it's basically a glass cannon without real glass cannon firepower (bombers).

Once put cruise launcher on a cyclone with the proper PG mods just for shiggles. That was even more useless but good for a laugh.

The Tier 3 BC is the way to go. Makes me wonder if CCP looks at our fits and saw too many people trying to put cruise/siege on BCs and did Tier 3 out of guilt.

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Sir Muffoon
Project Teaparty
#10 - 2012-06-13 20:03:04 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
The drake only has 7 launcher hardpoints. the 8th slot is for utility. Heavy missiles underperform against large targets compared to a cruise raven, but are similar or better on cruiser and below. The drake has a superior passive tank, the raven is an active tanked ship that can run into trouble if not managed properly.

You can make a permatank raven but then you're gimping DPS to near what a drake puts out.

EDIT: with proper battleship and cruise skills using the liang nuren fit you will destroy battleships in PVE compared to a drak,e hands down. You will finish missions at least 50% faster if not better.

So does the Raven not get any bonuses going for it? Range.......anything?
Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
#11 - 2012-06-13 20:03:44 UTC
Perramas wrote:
I use cruise missiles for PvE on my Raven.

Raven a la Liang

High Slots:

6x Cruise Missile Launcher II
1x Small Tractor Beam I

Mid Slots:

1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
1x Heavy Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
3x Mission Specific Hardeners
1x Peripheral Weapon Navigation Diameter

Low Slots:

4x Ballistic Control System II
1x Damage Control II

Rig Slots:

3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hardener choice aside, what would stop this from being a long-range, small gang PvP fit? Also, is it possible to at some point have a cap-stable active-tank fit?

Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop
Perramas
DreddNaut
#12 - 2012-06-13 20:04:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Perramas
My Raven has 400 calibration and each of the Warhead Rigor Catalyst I use 100 calibration each. I have had it for a while so it might be bugged if the calibration has changed.

Edit- For more PvE and PvP fits use this link http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven_%28Fitting%29

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#13 - 2012-06-13 20:07:24 UTC
Joe Hinken wrote:

Hardener choice aside, what would stop this from being a long-range, small gang PvP fit? Also, is it possible to at some point have a cap-stable active-tank fit?


Maybe if you decide to replace your BCS's with cap recharge. But why I ask. Isn't the point of being at range to be out of the gunfire? Would be smarter to speed tank for kiting.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#14 - 2012-06-13 20:09:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Kijo Rikki
Sir Muffoon wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
The drake only has 7 launcher hardpoints. the 8th slot is for utility. Heavy missiles underperform against large targets compared to a cruise raven, but are similar or better on cruiser and below. The drake has a superior passive tank, the raven is an active tanked ship that can run into trouble if not managed properly.

You can make a permatank raven but then you're gimping DPS to near what a drake puts out.

EDIT: with proper battleship and cruise skills using the liang nuren fit you will destroy battleships in PVE compared to a drak,e hands down. You will finish missions at least 50% faster if not better.

So does the Raven not get any bonuses going for it? Range.......anything?


I havent looked in a while, I feel certain it gets a damage bonus to cruise and torps. ITs targeting range is roughly 90km and cruise can easily reach past that.

THE L0CK wrote:


Yeah I was just gonna say that I very rarely see HAM's on the drakes that pvp me which I've always have found weird because they usually stay in scram range anyways (regardless if they actually put one on or not). In fact I almost always see the standard pve shield tank build with maybe a invuln replaced with a scram, web, or speed booster and the pilot tries to pass it off as a combat ship when all it really does is prolong their death rather than prevent it.


Kinda my standard 0.0 drake fit
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9627452

its served me well, the scram is for fleet fights, I never expected to hold an opponent solo that didnt want to be there, drakes are just too slow to catch stuff.

Perramas wrote:
My Raven has 400 calibration and each of the Warhead Rigor Catalyst I use 100 calibration each. I have had it for a while so it might be bugged if the calibration has changed.


Yeah, I went to do it the other night, its up to 200. (EDIT: Doh! See Haulie Berry below)

Quote:

Hardener choice aside, what would stop this from being a long-range, small gang PvP fit? Also, is it possible to at some point have a cap-stable active-tank fit?


You can permatank a raven, but you seriously gimp its DPS in doing so.

As far as a small gang long range ship its not likely, battleships are too easy to catch and worthless against small fast targets.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
#15 - 2012-06-13 20:09:44 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Joe Hinken wrote:

Hardener choice aside, what would stop this from being a long-range, small gang PvP fit? Also, is it possible to at some point have a cap-stable active-tank fit?


Maybe if you decide to replace your BCS's with cap recharge. But why I ask. Isn't the point of being at range to be out of the gunfire? Would be smarter to speed tank for kiting.


Both of those last two sentences make sense. The cap question was a general question, though, and not necessarily related to the Raven fit. Sorry for the confusion.

Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop
Haulie Berry
#16 - 2012-06-13 20:10:40 UTC
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Heavy Missiles are more standard than Assaults on Drakes and Crusie on Ravens. Distance over damage is what it equates to, so awesome for pve and has its place in pvp.

EDIT
Quote:
3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


I dunno if you could before but you cant do that now, at 200 calibration you can only fit 2. I myself whent with 1 rigor and 2 flares.



Rigors are 100. You're thinking of calefaction catalysts.
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#17 - 2012-06-13 20:13:16 UTC
Haulie Berry wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Heavy Missiles are more standard than Assaults on Drakes and Crusie on Ravens. Distance over damage is what it equates to, so awesome for pve and has its place in pvp.

EDIT
Quote:
3x Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


I dunno if you could before but you cant do that now, at 200 calibration you can only fit 2. I myself whent with 1 rigor and 2 flares.



Rigors are 100. You're thinking of calefaction catalysts.


Stupid names. P I went with one extra damage and 2 explosion radius. Lol

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#18 - 2012-06-13 20:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: THE L0CK
Kijo Rikki wrote:


Kinda my standard 0.0 drake fit
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9627452




You run pretty close to me when I use a Drake except I go HAM's. Many people don't realize that buffer tank will outlive recharge tank and EM HAM's will beat Heavies in a hallway fight although I do admit those precision missiles do hurt sometimes.

Quote:



Both of those last two sentences make sense. The cap question was a general question, though, and not necessarily related to the Raven fit. Sorry for the confusion.


Also keep in mind that gunships are generally preferred at range due to flight time of a missile. At a 100 km I think it's about 6 seconds before you hit with your first volley and a lot can happen in six seconds.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#19 - 2012-06-13 20:25:22 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:


Kinda my standard 0.0 drake fit
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9627452




You run pretty close to me when I use a Drake except I go HAM's. Many people don't realize that buffer tank will outlive recharge tank and EM HAM's will beat Heavies in a hallway fight although I do admit those precision missiles do hurt sometimes.


Actually on second thought that fit is not my standard, I don't usually use t2 extenders, F-S9's usually and I usually spare one extender rig to fill the EM hole a little. I must have borrowed that drake from someone. Lol

I would love HAMS but i think a combination of my assault skills sucking and the fact that most of the ships I fought could just outrange HAMS in a matter of seconds kept me from really ever fielding them.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
ISD Stensson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-06-13 20:28:27 UTC
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