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Incursions Destroyed by Nerf - If proof were needed.....
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Heun zero
MAYHEM BOYZ
#41 - 2012-06-12 19:03:33 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Zanza Mechonis wrote:
[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Lunkwill Khashour][quote=sabre906][

Also, if you're unsubbing just because incursions don't bring up so much isk anymore, go ahead, i'll be happy to see the free spots in fleets when I switch to incursions... :P


I'm always a FC there will be 10-20 less slots



in that case it means we have a whole fleet less in the incursions which means it's even easier to make isk in the sites
Gunny Sack
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-06-12 19:30:00 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
same old topic again, roll over and die or deal with it.

no more easy isk for you, go run L4s

so when they introduce gold ammo will you shut up and deal with it? or run your f*cking mouth? i'm going to bet you run your f*cking mouth. you seem like the type. the sandbox is mutable, you should get used to the politics of game design.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#43 - 2012-06-12 22:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Heun zero wrote:

Heun zero wrote:


Also, if you're unsubbing just because incursions don't bring up so much isk anymore, go ahead, i'll be happy to see the free spots in fleets when I switch to incursions... :P

Darth Nefarius wrote:

I'm always a FC there will be 10-20 less slots



in that case it means we have a whole fleet less in the incursions which means it's even easier to make isk in the sites



Good luck with the OTA sites...
Looks like once again CCP is ignoring feedback by the majority o those that run Incursions with the changes they announced :
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
The problem in that will be that you wont see much if any changes in the way people run (or rather don't run) incursions if you don't change it so that people actually want to run the sites again. Sure, for null sec players that influence bar change will change it for the better, but for the low sec and high sec players it will mean very little, same with that 10% isk reward. The whole thing just seems so backwards done that it's not even funny, right from the start when you nerfed them to the way you're backtracking on the wrong things.

Incursioners for the most part would be content with smaller reward, but incursioners for the most part will be looking for other activities if the fleets don't run. That's something you haven't adressed at all with this announcement. You basically have content that no one wants to use, where's the sense in that?


This is it exactly

CCP
It's mentioned that VG's fell to the floor after your last change but you are not asking "why did they fall to the floor and what was the biggest reason they fell to the floor?" You are not drilling down to the real root cause.

Now, if changing the OTA's is not a simple fix and one you can't get to right now, so you are adjusting the issues you can fix in hopes it will work is all you can do, then that is fine. Just be honest. At least I don't hope you are really counting on the new fixes to fix the issueShocked
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#44 - 2012-06-13 03:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Apolyon I
Gunny Sack wrote:
Apolyon I wrote:
same old topic again, roll over and die or deal with it.

no more easy isk for you, go run L4s

so when they introduce gold ammo will you shut up and deal with it? or run your f*cking mouth? i'm going to bet you run your f*cking mouth. you seem like the type. the sandbox is mutable, you should get used to the politics of game design.

you sound mad

I can make 500m/hr easily in cruiser, are you still mad??

are you running L4s, what a poor soul

your madness only entertains me, really Big smile
Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#45 - 2012-06-13 06:03:41 UTC
I ran an incursion this evening just to see what the fuss was about. I used my PVP Tengu and refit it for an incursion (about seventy mil for rigs + faction painter+faction ammo+etc).

The assault sat at a gate for while because we didn't have enough logi. We grabbed a nightmare, and use him to cap transfer with the Basi, which worked out fine for us. When we ran the site, it was fun. Comms were entertaining and light-hearted.

But the pay out was pathetic. I could have in the same time, made more in both LP and ISK running level 4s then running assaults, and I think this is the root of the problem: Group PVP that takes a while to form up pays less. People respond to both ISK and fun. Incursions have plenty of fun, but I could've run four level fours in the time it took get one incursion finished, and I can assure anyone that level fours make me want to tear my eyes out.

So, at the root of the problem is this: Why bother running group content when you can do it solo, at less danger and cost to yourself, and still make equivalent money? Until CCP figures that one out, I guess incursions will remain in their rather depleted state of being.

Also, to the trolls, I'm actually genuinely tired to read the ******** shiptoasting I'm seeing in this thread.
Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#46 - 2012-06-13 11:39:44 UTC
topper13 Kadeyooh wrote:
Just looking at the Journal on the "Incursions Global Report" tab and of the 7 incursions available there only is activity in one!!

CCP did a good job there (not)!

Perhaps they are in league with the Sancha Smile

On a more serious note though, the vast number of people who no longer do incursions must be a worry for CCP. Essentially CCP have killed a major part of EVE and that is not good. Not sure it will recover with any de-nerfing either Cry


Why do you need to make such a large amount of ISK to enjoy doing incursions? So long as the rewards are competitive with missioning or mining in hi-sec, surely they're sufficient to support the play style?

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#47 - 2012-06-13 15:30:55 UTC
Kamden Line wrote:
I ran an incursion this evening just to see what the fuss was about. I used my PVP Tengu and refit it for an incursion (about seventy mil for rigs + faction painter+faction ammo+etc).

The assault sat at a gate for while because we didn't have enough logi. We grabbed a nightmare, and use him to cap transfer with the Basi, which worked out fine for us. When we ran the site, it was fun. Comms were entertaining and light-hearted.

But the pay out was pathetic. I could have in the same time, made more in both LP and ISK running level 4s then running assaults, and I think this is the root of the problem: Group PVP that takes a while to form up pays less. People respond to both ISK and fun. Incursions have plenty of fun, but I could've run four level fours in the time it took get one incursion finished, and I can assure anyone that level fours make me want to tear my eyes out.

So, at the root of the problem is this: Why bother running group content when you can do it solo, at less danger and cost to yourself, and still make equivalent money? Until CCP figures that one out, I guess incursions will remain in their rather depleted state of being.

Also, to the trolls, I'm actually genuinely tired to read the ******** shiptoasting I'm seeing in this thread.


CCP decimated the Incursion numbers and took a 2 month wait & see it'll get better attitude. THE STATS ARE OBVIOUS THE NUMBERS WILL NOT COME BACK. CCP is now rolling back 1 very minor and 1 other major issue which niether will bring back any numbers to the now dead NULL/LO Sec communities and will allow 1/2 the HI SEC communities still alive to tread water while the other 1/4 left will drown with the same wait and see atitiude. CCP isn't addressing the root o the problem and is ignoring the 900 pound gorilla of the OTA's

An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#48 - 2012-06-14 11:34:34 UTC
Mazzy Star wrote:
If you can pull in equivalent money in level 4 missions without all the downtime and hassle, who in their right mind would stick with Incursions?


Those who really did it for the community feeling? Yes they were *that* few.


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Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#49 - 2012-06-14 12:34:15 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Mazzy Star wrote:
If you can pull in equivalent money in level 4 missions without all the downtime and hassle, who in their right mind would stick with Incursions?


Those who really did it for the community feeling? Yes they were *that* few.




Haha, I distinctly remember a lot of arguments of "we do this for the community/playing with other people."

Yeah that wasn't a line of garbage at all.
Zanza Mechonis
What is tax
#50 - 2012-06-15 22:01:22 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
CCP decimated the Incursion numbers and took a 2 month wait & see it'll get better attitude. THE STATS ARE OBVIOUS THE NUMBERS WILL NOT COME BACK.


Someone had a serious accident and has brain damage. We take a 2 month wait. THE STATS ARE OBVIOUS THE NUMBERS WILL NOT COME BACK.
...They said...

Here's the deal. If you're sad that you can't run your incursions with similar rewards anymore and lvl 4's get higher rewards, why not f*cking run lvl 4's? No social interaction? Get corpmates to join you! Not the same reward you say? Be an egoïsmic f*ck and don't share the mission reward. Or go out and do other social activities. kthnxbai?

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