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Trillian Tarsi
Teabag Inc
#1 - 2012-06-12 15:23:18 UTC
It's a question that has been asked a million times, and despite having read every answer that I can come across I'm still at a loose end.

I think I may have gotten stuck on the high-sec treadmill;

Buy Tristan
Run Level 1s...
Buy Thorax/Vexor
Run Level 2s...
Buy Myrm
Run Level 3s...

I need to break this cycle, but I spent literally all my ISK on my Myrm (approx 150m including insurance), so I feel like now i have to run 150m worth of Level 3s. HALP ME BREAK THE CYCLE!

I need to get out of high-sec before it's too late. But I know if I fit a Rifter and set a course for 0.0 all that will happen is that I'll get ganked, probably at the first lowsec gate. Say I make it out to null, then what? I can't dock anywhere (correct?), everyone will kill me before I can type 'Hai Gais' in local, my med clone and I will be reunited with alacrity back in my 0.5 home.

If I could find a quiet spot, and get dug in with a stockpile of frigates, I'd feel better. But as far as I know there are no quiet areas of nullsec left. Perhaps that's a highsec mentality anyway.

I have a vague idea of the direction I want to take my game in, I've had enough of playing this like it's The Sims. I don't want the shiny new fridge. I want to go out and stab the neighbours*. I'm just not sure how.



* - In EVE only, Mr FBI man.

malaire
#2 - 2012-06-12 15:37:20 UTC
Trillian Tarsi
Teabag Inc
#3 - 2012-06-12 15:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Trillian Tarsi
Hi malaire,

Thanks for the reply. I have heard of RvB and while it sounds like a great idea, something about it doesn't appeal to me. It feels a little...forced, and seems to somehow run against what I feel PvP should be 'about'. For me I guess it's as much about the fights themselves as it is about carving out a home through force.

RvB just feels like, to me at least, it's missing a few fundamentals of PvP. I'll gladly give it a try for a little while, I guess as practice more than anything, but I feel like I'm looking for something a little more... visceral, if that makes any sense. I'd prefer it if a little more was at stake when a fight starts.
gfldex
#4 - 2012-06-12 15:58:31 UTC
RvB is sports for rich *beep*ers who spend millions while Minmatar children are still starving down on planets. It's a cruel world we play in.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#5 - 2012-06-12 16:00:45 UTC
gfldex wrote:
RvB is sports for rich *beep*ers who spend millions while Minmatar children are still starving down on planets. It's a cruel world we play in.


He speaks the truth.

Confirming I am a rich *beep*er who spends millions while Minmatar children are still starving down on planets.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#6 - 2012-06-12 16:03:59 UTC
Hey,

I think you're forgetting the reason you are doing all those missions. Remember that missions are just an income stream. The reason you do missions is to make isk to do something else. not just to do even bigger missions.

Spending all your isk on anything is a bad habit, time to break it. But now is a good time to start coasting. Level 3s can pay for several fitted frigates pretty quickly. Time to start building your frigate fleet of madness.

You've obviously learned the basics, time to join a good corp, The corp tool seemed pretty good last I used it, much better than hanging in the recruitment channel anyway. Really, part of finding a good corp is deciding what you want and going out and getting it.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Trillian Tarsi
Teabag Inc
#7 - 2012-06-12 16:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Trillian Tarsi
Hi Iria, thanks for the reply.

I guess you're right, I could start cookie cutting rifters fairly well from the lvl 3s, and I recently lost all my implants anyway (woo), so I guess I'll start making trips out soon.

After that, I've been looking at joining OUCH (0.0 new player uni), they seem to be a good path to follow at the moment, assuming they're not a huge scam corp.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-12 16:38:10 UTC
You could try grinding for a certain corp so you can get jumpclones near lowsec, while grinding the standings you'll have enough isk to stockpile pvp frigates near the said lowsec. Doing this at least will have a point and not just an endless cycle.

Doing this will also allow you to pimp your hisec-isk-making clone for when you are running missions to fund your low/null trips.
TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-06-12 17:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: TEABO BAGGINS
Trillian Tarsi wrote:


If I could find a quiet spot, and get dug in with a stockpile of frigates, I'd feel better. But as far as I know there are no quiet areas of nullsec left. Perhaps that's a highsec mentality anyway.







naaa... i was exploring a 5 sec area deeper into null sec for about 6 hours last night and didnt come accross a single other player except when i entered a wormhole, it just looks crowded but most people don't go deep enough. they stay too close to the high sec borders where there's locals who are pirates. if your at your keyboard and not making dumb mistakes that sometimes you learn from the hard way then low/null sometimes feels safer than high

once you have a cloaking device and mwd low/high sec is easy if your not actually looking for a fight, and you understand how it works there, how to dscan and pay attention to local, you'll be very hard to catch. theres bottleneck sectors that enter to null sec from low sec, where u have to be extra careful, and prepare BMs to avoid bubbles when its not camped, but those bottlenecks are not hard to spot

TLDR: low/null sec *because somewhat safe routine after some lessons hard learned, best to learn those in a cheap ship, i used to rat/roam/run camps in low/null with 40k isk slashers

*becomes not because
Marjolaine Soucie
Grott Shipyards
#10 - 2012-06-12 17:17:16 UTC
Maybe check out this career guide. http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/eve-wtd.jpg There are a lot of fun opportunies. Faction war, look for a FW corp. PvP, try out redvsblue to see if you like pvp, then look for pvp corp. Try different professions like industry, exploring, etc. Have you conserdered being a pvp marketeer? Playing the market is loads of fun. Maybe do some research into corps and see if corps are looking for a niche role, research that niche role and if it sounds interesting to you, do it for the corp. /shrug Lots to do, fun around every corner waiting for you.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-12 17:25:04 UTC
TEABO BAGGINS wrote:
Trillian Tarsi wrote:


If I could find a quiet spot, and get dug in with a stockpile of frigates, I'd feel better. But as far as I know there are no quiet areas of nullsec left. Perhaps that's a highsec mentality anyway.


naaa... i was exploring a 5 sec area deeper into null sec for about 6 hours last night and didnt come accross a single other player except when i entered a wormhole, it just looks crowded but most people don't go deep enough. they stay too close to the high sec borders where there's locals who are pirates. if your at your keyboard and not making dumb mistakes that sometimes you learn from the hard way then low/null sometimes feels safer than high

once you have a cloaking device and mwd low/high sec is easy if your not actually looking for a fight, and you understand how it works there, how to dscan and pay attention to local, you'll be very hard to catch. theres bottleneck sectors that enter to null sec from low sec, where u have to be extra careful, and prepare BMs to avoid bubbles when its not camped, but those bottlenecks are not hard to spot

TLDR: low/null sec *because somewhat safe routine after some lessons hard learned, best to learn those in a cheap ship, i used to rat/roam/run camps in low/null with 40k isk slashers

*becomes not because


This.

Not all null-sec is filled with bad guys. True many places are taken by alliances. But holding SOV and using the system is something totally different.

Also there are certain parts of null-sec where you can dock. There is NPC null-sec (Great Wildlands, Curse, Outer Ring to name a few) that are not possible to control by players, so stations in there are ALWAYS open to you (they work the same way as hi-sec stations). And there are the occasional SOV outpost you can dock in (some may ask for a docking fee though), most famous was Chribba's station, everybody in EVE could use it (untill he lost control).

My suggestion, find a corp that does what you want. Use your missions to fund what you want and just take the dive into it. Learning stuff comes with losses, but as long as you learn and have fun you are doing the right thing.

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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#12 - 2012-06-12 17:53:48 UTC
If you want to start PvP, get in a cheap (read, meta 0 fit, no rigs or only cheap rigs) frigate or cruiser and just head for _low_ sec, not null. Null will eat you alive as a solo player specializing in anything but stealth. Faff around, talk **** in local, get in some fights, get blown up, replace ship, repeat. Tristan and Vexor are fine for this, you don't need to cross-train rifter just to blend in with the conformists.

If you want to keep missioning and just be less bored, downgrade your ship category-- cruiser for L3s, frigate for L2s, etc. It'll take longer and thus be less profitable, but also suck less. Alternately, make a friend. Two people running level 4 missions is faster and more profitable than either one or three people most of the time.

If you just want to do something that's not mission running, head to low-sec and scan some sites down, then run them while keeping an eye over your shoulder for pirates. Or scan a wormhole in high-sec (so it'll be a C1/C2 hole, most likely), omni-tank a BC, and go fight the sleepers.

If you're actually wanting to give up combat entirely, there's always mining (ick), industry (eh) or pure market trading (yay). Those'll require some cross-training, though.

Direct answer to your question: the next step is to join a player corporation that does something at least mildly risky in small gangs. PvP, protected mining ops, incursions, group L4s, whatever. This is an absolute **** solo game, but it's a pretty good MMO, so make some friends and/or enemies and you'll hate it less.
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#13 - 2012-06-12 17:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zoe Athame
The corp is more important than the location. A good hisec corp can be much more fun than a crappy nullsec corp. Find good people to fly with and don't bother trying to do solo pvp. Flying alone in EVE is a waste of time. Everyone says "go to low-sec" but I don't think they've been there recently. You fly around for hours with no action until you get caught by a small gang.
Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#14 - 2012-06-12 18:31:15 UTC
Scan down a hisec wormhole that leads into a C1 class system.

Go have an adventure. Don't worry about the isk...it will come in time.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka

Trillian Tarsi
Teabag Inc
#15 - 2012-06-13 11:36:12 UTC
Thanks for all the great responses everyone. Looks like I have plenty to think about and work on. This has been really helpful Big smile