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Thank You CCP, Goons & EVE Players in General

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-06-11 12:25:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
SetrakDark wrote:
hahahaha

goondevs are squashing bounty hunting fixes out of fear...FEAR

holy **** you tinfoil mongoloids

take a shower, shave, go outside, get a life



Well they aren't promoting it or welcoming it. So they must be concerned it might effect them.

Mittens, prior to his abrupt exit to politics, made a discerning effort in his statements to ensure it would be delayed, as per statements on EVE radio. I'm kind of thinking he might be slightly influenced by selfish interests as it might impact ganking related activities perhaps? Roll

Really, doesn't take a modiucm of intelligence knowing the meta politics normally involved here.

So yes it could be infered that the Goon position is fearfull of this development as a result. Equally could be seen as controlling the commodity of fun in game also. But when has that been an agenda for Goons? RollBlink

Either way I'd say as a result they are obviously worried about "losing" out from its introduction either way.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-06-11 12:32:02 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Well they aren't promoting it or welcoming it. So they must be concerned it might effect them.


members of a nullsec alliance don't care about bounty hunting mechanics, news at 11

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-06-11 12:38:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Richard Desturned wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Well they aren't promoting it or welcoming it. So they must be concerned it might effect them.


members of a nullsec alliance don't care about bounty hunting mechanics, news at 11


herpderp, hulkageddon, ice interdictions, general promotion of ganking in high sec, personal activities by some goon members?

News before 11, you really are clueless or shallow to think they have no interest.

Or course it could be trying to apply obvious propoganda avoidance techniques, fancy that. RollBlink

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-06-11 12:39:04 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Bossy Lady wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Not mad or upset, just not inspired by Goons.

Suicide ganking is a calculated risk under high sec regulations that uses the element of suprise on soft targets in the main. Its more a spreadsheet exercise than inspirational gameplay not very exciting and when examples suggest you can plex in an afternoon, also not very difficult in relative game terms imho...


This also rather neatly describes mining.


Well Grumpy isn't a miner if thats what you think.

I would question the earning potential as being equal, especially in high sec belts. And I think most people recognise the mining profession as minimum wage.

Did find it humourous for the analogy, but then again thats why there are war decs and ganking to counter any mining activities I suppose, if opposition rather than competition is required. Blink

The hypocrasy if anything lies in the lack of methods an industrialist can respond in kind to suicide ganking. Especially when obviously as a pilot they have an industrial focus and in most situations likely to face multiple opponents.

E.g. A 5 month old miner being ganked by 3 year old criminals in multiple ships makes it very hard for that indivudual to enact any response to the encounter even with potential kill rights. And whilst all adaptations and measures should be made to avoid the situation by the industrialist unless he also focusses skills as a PvP character would he will be very unlikley to be able to do anything at all about it, he will always be effectively be behind in the skill gap, and goes against purposes intended for the pilot as a result.

So to repeat not against suicide ganking, hells for Bounty hunting to be worthwhile there needs to obviously be criminals. But any ganker who wants to keep life easy in EVE for themselves is just a bad influence for EVE game development and gameplay activities imho.

This "lol goonz r dum" style response has always fascinated me. If Goons are dumb then does that mean that our continued efforts to do whatever we please all keep working on accident? I get the impression, rather, that upset people would like to work out some nuggets of anything to justify to themselves how they are better than somebody else. Lacking the actual visible achievements they naturally have to try to find some way to talk down those who have such achievements. Its all rather childish really.

Oh, and to your earlier post about how "essential" those production and mining professions in high sec are to life in nullsec, I have to ask: Do you even know how the EVE market works? Granted, I doubt you have access to the null market prices that I have access to data-wise as a player who regularly imports and exports from and to nullsec, but talking from ignorance is never a wise choice. It is unironically cheaper to build or (buy from a nullsec producer) any but a few token and rarely used hulls than it is to purchase them in even the cheapest high sec hubs. So no, some miners losing their hulks will not negatively impact my drake/rig/mod production in the slightest negative way. At the best, its fueling my own business with panicked price spikes every time that somebody so much as waves a thorax in the direction of some high sec terrified miner. Meanwhile, I'll keep doing all the things that high sec miners don't and keep my ships safe and my production lines full. :ego:

EVE is hard guys, really.
Singoth
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-06-11 12:40:05 UTC
Quote:
The reason I am posting this is to counter the general image that all 'Carebears' fear danger, complexity, 'Goons' & CCPs EVE Online sandbox.

All carebears fear danger, complexity, goons and CCP's sandbox, that's why they're called carebears.
If you don't fear that stuff, you're not a carebear. Simple as that.

You can be "carebearing", which is just a general, non-offensive collective term for performing non-PvP/combat activities, but everyone does that at some point in their career. Some more than others, but it's done anyway, nothing wrong with it. Those who say it is wrong should probably think real hard where their ISK comes from.

A carebear is a deragatory term for someone who is carebearing and fears danger, complexity and etc.
A non-carebear who is carebearing and gets attacked will try to get revenge or prevent it from happening again. Where as the carebear will go whine for 7 days after a ship loss and tries to get help from CCP because the carebear is incompetent at playing the game himself.

Just thought I'd point that out. Smile

Less yappin', more zappin'!
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-06-11 12:40:53 UTC
Also, no, Goons don't give a damn about bounties.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-06-11 12:41:44 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
herpderp, hulkageddon, ice interdictions, general promotion of ganking in high sec, personal activities by some goon members?

News before 11, you really are clueless or shallow to think they have no interest.

Or course it could be trying to apply obvious propoganda avoidance techniques, fancy that. RollBlink


this isn't a propaganda war, this is you making things up

bounty hunting won't affect you in the least when you're -5 or below and everyone's going to try to kill you if they can ~anyway~

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-06-11 12:50:49 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Bossy Lady wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Not mad or upset, just not inspired by Goons.

Suicide ganking is a calculated risk under high sec regulations that uses the element of suprise on soft targets in the main. Its more a spreadsheet exercise than inspirational gameplay not very exciting and when examples suggest you can plex in an afternoon, also not very difficult in relative game terms imho...


This also rather neatly describes mining.


Well Grumpy isn't a miner if thats what you think.

I would question the earning potential as being equal, especially in high sec belts. And I think most people recognise the mining profession as minimum wage.

Did find it humourous for the analogy, but then again thats why there are war decs and ganking to counter any mining activities I suppose, if opposition rather than competition is required. Blink

The hypocrasy if anything lies in the lack of methods an industrialist can respond in kind to suicide ganking. Especially when obviously as a pilot they have an industrial focus and in most situations likely to face multiple opponents.

E.g. A 5 month old miner being ganked by 3 year old criminals in multiple ships makes it very hard for that indivudual to enact any response to the encounter even with potential kill rights. And whilst all adaptations and measures should be made to avoid the situation by the industrialist unless he also focusses skills as a PvP character would he will be very unlikley to be able to do anything at all about it, he will always be effectively be behind in the skill gap, and goes against purposes intended for the pilot as a result.

So to repeat not against suicide ganking, hells for Bounty hunting to be worthwhile there needs to obviously be criminals. But any ganker who wants to keep life easy in EVE for themselves is just a bad influence for EVE game development and gameplay activities imho.

This "lol goonz r dum" style response has always fascinated me. If Goons are dumb then does that mean that our continued efforts to do whatever we please all keep working on accident? I get the impression, rather, that upset people would like to work out some nuggets of anything to justify to themselves how they are better than somebody else. Lacking the actual visible achievements they naturally have to try to find some way to talk down those who have such achievements. Its all rather childish really.

Oh, and to your earlier post about how "essential" those production and mining professions in high sec are to life in nullsec, I have to ask: Do you even know how the EVE market works? Granted, I doubt you have access to the null market prices that I have access to data-wise as a player who regularly imports and exports from and to nullsec, but talking from ignorance is never a wise choice. It is unironically cheaper to build or (buy from a nullsec producer) any but a few token and rarely used hulls than it is to purchase them in even the cheapest high sec hubs. So no, some miners losing their hulks will not negatively impact my drake/rig/mod production in the slightest negative way. At the best, its fueling my own business with panicked price spikes every time that somebody so much as waves a thorax in the direction of some high sec terrified miner. Meanwhile, I'll keep doing all the things that high sec miners don't and keep my ships safe and my production lines full. :ego:

EVE is hard guys, really.


lol, all the market changes due to the effects and claims by hulkageddon representatives suggest otherwise that it has significant impact. Despite that you should be aware of the inter dependencies accross regions.

However, generally I would like to agree with you, the Goons efforts to effect high sec usually are flash in the pan schemes that dont really adjust the status quo too much in the long term despite all the claims they make. Jita "fizzle" anyone and goon lose lots?

I do know where the majority of industry occurs however and for people to **** in their own back garden as they do isnt helpfull to them. Overall however, the effects of industrial losses in high sec I would easily concede are not as close as being relevant as PvP losses overall in New Eden. I would suggest more harm was done with inflationary issues and speculators than gankers to the market overall leading up to and during Hulkageddon 5.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-06-11 12:53:56 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Bossy Lady wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Not mad or upset, just not inspired by Goons.

Suicide ganking is a calculated risk under high sec regulations that uses the element of suprise on soft targets in the main. Its more a spreadsheet exercise than inspirational gameplay not very exciting and when examples suggest you can plex in an afternoon, also not very difficult in relative game terms imho...


This also rather neatly describes mining.


Well Grumpy isn't a miner if thats what you think.

I would question the earning potential as being equal, especially in high sec belts. And I think most people recognise the mining profession as minimum wage.

Did find it humourous for the analogy, but then again thats why there are war decs and ganking to counter any mining activities I suppose, if opposition rather than competition is required. Blink

The hypocrasy if anything lies in the lack of methods an industrialist can respond in kind to suicide ganking. Especially when obviously as a pilot they have an industrial focus and in most situations likely to face multiple opponents.

E.g. A 5 month old miner being ganked by 3 year old criminals in multiple ships makes it very hard for that indivudual to enact any response to the encounter even with potential kill rights. And whilst all adaptations and measures should be made to avoid the situation by the industrialist unless he also focusses skills as a PvP character would he will be very unlikley to be able to do anything at all about it, he will always be effectively be behind in the skill gap, and goes against purposes intended for the pilot as a result.

So to repeat not against suicide ganking, hells for Bounty hunting to be worthwhile there needs to obviously be criminals. But any ganker who wants to keep life easy in EVE for themselves is just a bad influence for EVE game development and gameplay activities imho.

This "lol goonz r dum" style response has always fascinated me. If Goons are dumb then does that mean that our continued efforts to do whatever we please all keep working on accident? I get the impression, rather, that upset people would like to work out some nuggets of anything to justify to themselves how they are better than somebody else. Lacking the actual visible achievements they naturally have to try to find some way to talk down those who have such achievements. Its all rather childish really.

Oh, and to your earlier post about how "essential" those production and mining professions in high sec are to life in nullsec, I have to ask: Do you even know how the EVE market works? Granted, I doubt you have access to the null market prices that I have access to data-wise as a player who regularly imports and exports from and to nullsec, but talking from ignorance is never a wise choice. It is unironically cheaper to build or (buy from a nullsec producer) any but a few token and rarely used hulls than it is to purchase them in even the cheapest high sec hubs. So no, some miners losing their hulks will not negatively impact my drake/rig/mod production in the slightest negative way. At the best, its fueling my own business with panicked price spikes every time that somebody so much as waves a thorax in the direction of some high sec terrified miner. Meanwhile, I'll keep doing all the things that high sec miners don't and keep my ships safe and my production lines full. :ego:

EVE is hard guys, really.


lol, all the market changes due to the effects and claims by hulkageddon representatives suggest otherwise that it has significant impact. Despite that you should be aware of the inter dependencies accross regions.

However, generally I would like to agree with you, the Goons efforts to effect high sec usually are flash in the pan schemes that dont really adjust the status quo too much in the long term despite all the claims they make. Jita "fizzle" anyone and goon lose lots?

I do know where the majority of industry occurs however and for people to **** in their own back garden as they do isnt helpfull to them. Overall however, the effects of industrial losses in high sec I would easily concede are not as close as being relevant as PvP losses overall in New Eden. I would suggest more harm was done with inflationary issues and speculators than gankers to the market overall leading up to and during Hulkageddon 5.


You're putting words in my mouth. Not surprising since your points don't really hold. I said that the markets in high sec aren't worth importing things from since null industry is (amusingly) stronger. Local price spikes in high sec happened and lasted for a while around those events and keep showing up as a result of the 'Geddon. Keep lying to yourself though.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-06-11 12:56:06 UTC
denial is the first stage of grief

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-06-12 04:21:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
lmao, lameness to the extreme,

The "mighty" Goonswarm Federation decides to war dec my 3 man corp for having an opinion about them.

Gosh how scared and ineffective you must be if you have to resort to having to use IG tactics to try and silence opposition on the forums to your point of view. Must be a "sucking chest wound". LolBlink

Ah well, must let the children play, else they might cry more about other players not following their idiotic hive mind.

And it wont stop me from posting my views either.

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#52 - 2012-06-12 11:00:23 UTC
Thread cleared of offtopic and flaming posts.

Please keep it civil.

CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire
BugraT WarheaD
#53 - 2012-06-12 16:16:31 UTC
I want to support the OP !!!

I'm a 'Carebear' too for the eyes of many, but, Adapt or Die is a sentence for all of us, and it's what makes eve so special. Please people, continue to test us, gank us, wardec us, and never stop thinking of new way to ruin my ingame way of playing !

A game without challenges isn't a game :)
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