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Mango Kush
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-06-11 18:27:30 UTC
Well of course im not going to broadcast my plans on my main. But I am going to rob a corporation blind that is the one aspect of this game I truely want to experience. If only I could get more than the money that would be even better, I want EVERYTHING!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-06-11 18:27:33 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
TROLL, nuff said.


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Singulis Pacifica
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-06-11 18:29:48 UTC
Oy, talk about a wall of text.

Alright, let's cut it down to pieces. And create a wall of text as answer P

Only your rookie ship is given back in case it's blown up. All other ships are not given back, but you can insure yourself and most of the ship's value is returned to you. Insurance costs money, but I can not recommend it enough to new players. Select the platinum option to ensure maximum payout in case your ship is gone. Please note, if you are Concorded, you get nothing as a refund. So don't attack playes that are not red.

If you don't want to mine or manufacture, then it will take some time. Lv 1 and Lv 2 missions have a minimal payout, but just stick with it. A very good way to generate some form of income is to make sure you salvage your wrecks. It really starts to kick in once you are doing level 3's. But everyone has to start somehow. Expect to be able to do Lv 3's in a battlecruiser in about 1-2 months depending on your game-time.

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My Dilema........Should I accept the corp invite and try to play in the dangerous areas or continue to run missions and watch my skills slowly finish.


No, you should join a corp that fits your status. Don't join players who are in a different phase of the game. Join a corp that suits your needs. The best way is to open up the Corporation tab and fill in the aspects of the game that you prefer most. Select search and corps that are recruiting and meet your needs will turn up. I do recommend you to speak with its recruiters before you apply to join.

In terms of PvP (if that's what you want), I'd suggest joining up with the red vs. blue player corps. They are player corps that have an endless war going with each another. It's main aim is to provide PvP experience to those players in frigates and cruisers. This should be something you would probably like. More information can be found here.

Skill-wise, you trail experienced players by at least 50 million SP. Does that make you lose all the time? Nope. A 2 million SP player can take down a 50 million SP player. It simply depends on which skills each player has learned. And industrialist who has no skills in PvP is going to lose from a new PvP player. Even if that player is just in a frigate.

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In my opinion from a new palyer standpooint this game would take years upon years to even come close to competing with established players not just in skills but financially


Not entirely correct. A lot of players will have around 1-5 billion in cash, but I expect many to be below the billion ISK threshold. If you save up most of your generated ISK, then I expect you ro acquire that billion ISK within 6 months.

As far as the community is concerned, it varies. Yes, a lot of players new to this game will see that EvE is scam-heaven. A lot of things that are eligible for bans and punishments in other mmos are not in EvE. The game has loads of idiots out there, but I expect the vast majority of the players to be just like you and me. Normal people who come online and just do their thing, minding their own business. There are players who definitely will help you if you do not understand something within the game. There are also some players who like to troll the forums or channels and you should just block those (right click on player, and block).

Your friend was an idiot for not explaining you the rules in high-sec. You can not just shoot anybody you want to without consequences. As I said before, join up with the Red Federation or Blue Republic if you want to learn PvP. There are fleets going against each other almost every day I hear. Lots of hostile targets to shoot at.

To conclude, do not expect that you can into the bigger ships within a week. It just doesn't work like that. I can promise you that you will be able to fly a decent ship (battlecruiser) within a month. And once you acquired that, ISK should increase a lot more as the loot will not only be better but the items from salvaging will be too (from Lv 3 and especially Lv 4).

Another thing for you to look at is Planetary Interaction. It allows you to set up bases on six planets in total that can produce items for you. It requires some skills, so if this is your thing, expect that you will not be as good in pvp as these are completely different skills than say... shield management for PvP/PvE. You can find more on this here.

And lastly, the SoE epic arc. This is a long chain of PvE missions that you can do which will generate some good income. Most of it is doable in a frigate or destroyer, with only the last boss being a challenge. Just ask around in local or in your corp if you have found a nice group of players. A cruiser is already better in the last mission, but a decent battlecruiser destroys the boss easily. Please talk to Sister Alitura in the Arnon system to get the chain started. It's specifically designed with you in mind: the new player and its a chain that lasts 50 missions sending you throughout the entire 4 major empires.

There is a lot more in EvE than you might expect. Don't give up so easily. Join a corp that suits your needs. Don't go out in 0.0 sec unless you really want to. Right now, you should just learn the game and remain in high-sec (0.5-1.0 systems) for the time being.

Good luck and welcome to EvE.
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#24 - 2012-06-11 18:35:35 UTC
Singulis Pacifica wrote:
In terms of PvP (if that's what you want), I'd suggest joining up with the red vs. blue player corps. They are player corps that have an endless war going with each another. It's main aim is to provide PvP experience to those players in frigates and cruisers. This should be something you would probably like. More information can be found here.


While you can learn to PVP in Red vs Blue, it isn't a teaching corporation. Fair warning, and all that. Some people join expecting to get taught how to do things, but aren't willing to do a little investigation on their own. They don't tend to last long.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"

Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#25 - 2012-06-11 18:46:05 UTC
As far as corp theft, have a gander at this: Linky

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _

Coral Theisman
Space Ants
RAZOR Alliance
#26 - 2012-06-11 18:59:52 UTC
Mango Kush wrote:
What are bots and how do you use them. Someone said if you want to make money in EVE you have to use them but first you have to setup a VPN which I have no idea what that is.


As far as i know, bots are against EULA. Do not use them, and if you know anyone who uses them, please report him.


Now to your previous post. ...Honestly, I don't even know where to start, but I'll try anyway.

- So your friend got 500 mil of pixelized money, while you lost basically nothing (You'll lose more money if you subscribe pandaWoW and decide you dont like it). The problem would be ... ?

- 70% of players stick to highsec and play there. Since they don't fly in dangerous areas they think this game is like WoW and they are entitled to live in a world with no real danger. This is, however, EVE. You consent to PVP when you press the button "Undock". If you don't like it, you may look elsewhere. I don't like Mafia Wars, therefore I don't play it.

- If you would tell me that you travelled to low/nullsec in first few days and get xploded, I would happily nod upon your bravery. There are people who never jumped into low/null because it's AMAGAWD TOO DANGEROUZZZ. In this very moment you already have more experience than them. Again, if you don't feel it this way, and you feel upset because someone blowed up your rookie ship (!!!) , this is not the game for you. Ships are here to be blown up.

- This is a sandbox. You can do whatever you want. And since you don't have your EVE life linked all the way to lvl 85, it is better to actually sit down and READ READ READ READ about this game, until you understand how it works and what you can expect from it.

- " I need to find something fun in this game to do or im quiting." Yes. That's obvious. You have finished tutorials, so you know that there's something like mining, industry, exploration, ratting (killing rats in belts), you know there are anomalies you can pew pew in, and so on. Again, you are supposed to find somehting fun in this game, and that's why this game is different from themepark MMOs.

- "Yes that was fun for the first 20 mins then I asked him can we shoot something. hell yeah he said you can shoot anything which I did and was promptly killed by some fast space ships. He then told me I couldnt shoot anything in the safe areas because you will be killed by the police. Well now my friend is a liar so I dont trust him anymore."
You could've done some cosmic anomalies, for example - you would shoot only rats (NPC enemies) and that's safe even in hisec.

My advice: stop moaning, find a good corporation specialized on newbies, and do stuff with them. Or ask _more_ questions in rookie channel, I don't have any bad experience with it and I'm sitting there for hours almost each day.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#27 - 2012-06-11 19:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
If someone invited you to corp and then made fun of you when you refused to go out, they were probably just scamming you anyway. Especially if they were charging you a fee to join corp.

How to be competitive? Specialize. As a newbie, specialized in frigate roles. And group up. Most pvp is in player skills not character skills. Mods can balance fights, ex. use more EW. A cheap tracker disruptor can eliminate any paper advantage a gun ship ship has over you. They will still have their player skills, and that is really the key.

Oh, and bigger is not better. Players have used their newbie ships to take out battlecruisers. Again, this is due to player skills. You have to fly that newbie ship very carefully to win a fight like that. Learning to close the range while minimizing your transversal is key.

A good corp will reim your lost ships in combat, so it makes it easy to pvp. But you want to have at least one profession down to buy lots of frigates.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#28 - 2012-06-11 19:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
Hello Mango Kush,

I'm ISD Athechu from ISD:STAR Support, Training and Resources. We are a group of volunteers who help new players out within the game.

Sorry that you have had such rotten luck, sadly some people do take advantage of new players and this is just something you have to be careful for. EVE is a not an easy game and it is complex all depending on what you want to do. There are lots of guides and resources out there that are very helpful to you that I would recommend reading.

Here are a few links which are useful:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/New_Pilot_101
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Educational_organizations
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Help_Channel_FAQ
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Category:Missions
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Making_ISK

Those are just a few that I have picked out that can help you out. Take some time and read them so you can see what goes on in EVE.

If you have any other questions feel free to ask them.

Fly safe o/

P.S. On a side note all Macro and/or Automated Programs that are fully automated to play the game are a violation of the EULA and are not allowed. Part 6 of the EULA http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp, If you have a question about something specific please file a petition with the GMs to get an official ruling.

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources

Helping Players Since 2011

Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#29 - 2012-06-11 19:54:53 UTC
There is something unsettling about seeing Goonswarm in a list of educational organizations.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"

Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-06-11 20:59:43 UTC
Attention DON'T USE A BOT PROGRAM! STAY AWAY FROM BOT PROGRAMS AND ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM!

Bots are basically programs that automatically perform repetitive money-making tasks for you. (like mining) People then often sell the ISK (the ingame EVE currency, as you know) they farm for real-life (RL) money out of game.(a major form of Real Money Transactions =RMT=very bad) If you are discovered to be using a bot/botting program your account could be banned. Recently, CCP (the company that makes EVE) has been trying to find botters and smack 'em with the banhammer. The playerbase likes this as botfarmers are a real pain. Also, because the players themselves dislike bots intensely, they will do what they can to oppose botting. For example, bot hunting is a popular activity in some places. Do yourself a big favor; stay away from bot using.


EVE is extremely harsh, but extremely fun. I hope you stay.

Look into joining EVE University...they have a good rep as a place you can learn a lot about EVE.

Really look into recruitment scams and then scams in general. EVE has some of the best folks around...but also some of the worst. Arm yourself with knowledge.
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-11 21:15:18 UTC
Mango Kush wrote:
Well of course im not going to broadcast my plans on my main. But I am going to rob a corporation blind that is the one aspect of this game I truely want to experience. If only I could get more than the money that would be even better, I want EVERYTHING!



On second thought - forget EVE University, that's the small time. You obviously want to know how to do big things. Go straight to Goonswarm. Find a Goonswarm Recruitment guy. Sure, it may cost you to join, but they will teach you about large-scale theft. You get what you pay for, get the best learning on theft you can!

fly big or fly home
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
ISD Alliance
#32 - 2012-06-12 21:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
Thread has been cleaned please keep it on topic.

ISD Athechu

STAR Executive

EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources

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