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When EVE online in spanish?¿
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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#81 - 2012-06-11 11:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Xilium wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
While this wouldn't be a bad idea or anything... if you can already speak English, what's the problem? This is an Icelandic game that heavily supports the English language.

If a Puerto Rican game came out, in Spanish only, I'm not going to go to their forums and demand the developers translate their entire game for me. It'd be nice, but what's the entitlement about?



You have the best post in this thread.


Because it is the second most spoken language in the world, thats a fact. Its a matter of time, CCP will translate to spanish for latin american & spanish players. Dont forget that there are 500 million spanish speakers in the world. Thats money :)


Third. Mandarin > English > Spanish.

EVE's Spanish community almost doesn't exist. Trust me I looked for it. There are more people speaking Portuguese in game, FFS.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2012-06-11 11:28:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
Wow, glad I saw this thread. I almost forgot to leave a check under the welcome mat for the lawn service.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#83 - 2012-06-11 11:32:48 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Wow, glad I saw this thread. I almost forgot to leave a check under the welcome mat for the lawn service.


hater...

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#84 - 2012-06-11 11:33:52 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:


EVE's Spanish community almost doesn't exist. Trust me I looked for it.



You didn't looked hard enough.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#85 - 2012-06-11 11:39:35 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


EVE's Spanish community almost doesn't exist. Trust me I looked for it.



You didn't looked hard enough.


Name one relevant group composed of mostly spanish speakers.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#86 - 2012-06-11 11:54:29 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


EVE's Spanish community almost doesn't exist. Trust me I looked for it.



You didn't looked hard enough.


Name one relevant group composed of mostly spanish speakers.


It depends of what "relevant" means for you. Kill board stats? Member count? 0.0 presence? Outpost count? Tell me what's your minimum requirements for "relevant" status and I'll dig around to see what I can find.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#87 - 2012-06-11 11:56:15 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


EVE's Spanish community almost doesn't exist. Trust me I looked for it.



You didn't looked hard enough.


Name one relevant group composed of mostly spanish speakers.


It depends of what "relevant" means for you. Kill board stats? Member count? 0.0 presence? Outpost count? Tell me what's your minimum requirements for "relevant" status and I'll dig around to see what I can find.


a large group capable of influencing EVE as a whole.

I can name 1 portuguese-speaking and 0 spanish-speaking examples. there are no significant spanish speaking communities in EVE.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#88 - 2012-06-11 12:06:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


EVE's Spanish community almost doesn't exist. Trust me I looked for it.



You didn't looked hard enough.


Name one relevant group composed of mostly spanish speakers.


It depends of what "relevant" means for you. Kill board stats? Member count? 0.0 presence? Outpost count? Tell me what's your minimum requirements for "relevant" status and I'll dig around to see what I can find.


a large group capable of influencing EVE as a whole.

I can name 1 portuguese-speaking and 0 spanish-speaking examples. there are no significant spanish speaking communities in EVE.


Name your Portuguese example so we could get some actual numbers of what "relevant" means for you or what a "large group" is.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#89 - 2012-06-11 12:10:51 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:


Name your Portuguese example so we could get some actual numbers of what "relevant" means for you or what a "large group" is.


Vera Cruz
Karunel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-06-11 12:31:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Karunel
Good to see the ****** squad is out in force, as usual in these forums.

There're more than 1,000-1,500+ Spaniards paying for an account, according to CCP numbers published a couple of years ago, and there's also the whole of Latin America where there's a sizeable number of EVE players. Last but not least, there's also a number of USA players who have Spanish as their mother tongue.

Just for the record, I don't believe the game should be translated to any language, but if CCP does so, I believe Spanish should be considered as a target. Specially as Spaniards are not very English savvy and a translation to Spanish would bring in more costumers than translation to other languages whose speakers are more fluent in English.

Edit: Did I spot a TEST guy talking about relevant?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#91 - 2012-06-11 12:42:21 UTC
Karunel wrote:
Specially as Spaniards are not very English savvy


Really? Roll

Lose the incredibly inaccurate generalizations, irrelevant forum alt.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#92 - 2012-06-11 12:46:35 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:


Name your Portuguese example so we could get some actual numbers of what "relevant" means for you or what a "large group" is.


Vera Cruz


Actually Spanish space friends have the same problem than French space friends to do something together: individualism and each/every one wants to rule everything, knows everything better than his neighbour leading to disbands and a community of unstable players jumping from one corp to another

brb
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#93 - 2012-06-11 12:47:36 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:


Name your Portuguese example so we could get some actual numbers of what "relevant" means for you or what a "large group" is.


Vera Cruz


Are you saying that all of Vera Cruz is Portuguese? Last time I check Hispania Armored Forces (Vera Cruz Member) was Hispanic... and 35. Division (Vera Cruz Member) was ???? (Dutch?/German?). I haven't check recently, there might be others.

However, going by the Vera Cruz example... 14 outposts, 34 systems, 1122 members, #16 on alliance ranking (dotlan). Does that mean that everything below that mark is "irrelevant".

Ethereal Down - Irrelevant?
Persona Non Gratis - Irrelevant?
Ev0ke - Irrelevant?
AAA Citizens - .. ok, I'll give you that one

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#94 - 2012-06-11 12:49:58 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:


Are you saying that all of Vera Cruz is Portuguese? Last time I check Hispania Armored Forces (Vera Cruz Member) was Hispanic... and 35. Division (Vera Cruz Member) was ???? (Dutch?/German?). I haven't check recently, there might be others.

However, going by the Vera Cruz example... 14 outposts, 34 systems, 1122 members, #16 on alliance ranking (dotlan). Does that mean that everything below that mark is "irrelevant".


They are primarily Brazilian, just like TEST (which has a much more diverse population) is primarily American.

Shameless Avenger wrote:

Ethereal Down - Irrelevant?

Yes.

Shameless Avenger wrote:

Persona Non Gratis - Irrelevant?

Yes.

Shameless Avenger wrote:

Ev0ke - Irrelevant?

No.

Shameless Avenger wrote:

AAA Citizens - .. ok, I'll give you that one

Obviously.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#95 - 2012-06-11 13:02:37 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:


They are primarily Brazilian, just like TEST (which has a much more diverse population) is primarily American.



When you go to the Alliance Level, you can't have an alliance based on *one* country and be successful. Somebody needs to be online when the other people go to sleep. I'm pretty sure there's a good share of non-Americans in TEST. You wouldn't have 28 outposts and 90 systems playing on only 4 time zones.


"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#96 - 2012-06-11 13:07:15 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


They are primarily Brazilian, just like TEST (which has a much more diverse population) is primarily American.



When you go to the Alliance Level, you can't have an alliance based on *one* country and be successful. Somebody needs to be online when the other people go to sleep. I'm pretty sure there's a good share of non-Americans in TEST. You wouldn't have 28 outposts and 90 systems playing on only 4 time zones.




Every alliance in EVE has one time zone they are far more active in. A big part of sov warfare is ensuring timers are as inconvenient as possible (or convenient, if the goal is fights and not conquering space) for your opponent.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-06-11 13:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:


They are primarily Brazilian, just like TEST (which has a much more diverse population) is primarily American.



When you go to the Alliance Level, you can't have an alliance based on *one* country and be successful. Somebody needs to be online when the other people go to sleep. I'm pretty sure there's a good share of non-Americans in TEST. You wouldn't have 28 outposts and 90 systems playing on only 4 time zones.




Seems the best/successfully alliances dominating Eve are opened enough to play and are not looking at nationality/language provided you are able to understand what's your job about and do it right, shares and responsibility posts are also independent of nationality.

I find this far more interesting and valuable social experience. It's also a valuable prove that when you put aside those primordial barriers you can do better things and have a much better/stable playing environment.

You can can apply it to RL, multicultural and parity men/women work environments are far more interesting than other way around.

brb
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2012-06-11 13:18:12 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Ev0ke - Irrelevant?


The game already supports German.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#99 - 2012-06-11 13:21:28 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:

Every alliance in EVE has one time zone they are far more active in. A big part of sov warfare is ensuring timers are as inconvenient as possible (or convenient, if the goal is fights and not conquering space) for your opponent.


And how do you measure the effectiveness of an Alliance?

I'll tell you how I do it. Let's take a look at Solar Fleet... 97 outposts held with 1432 members. That's 14 members per outpost... that's darn effective. Compare that to Solar Citizens...23 outposts, 4568 members. That's 198 members per outpost. Big difference. Still, both are around the top 10 alliances.

If I find a Spanish Speaking corp or alliance that has a similar members/outpost ratio as the one in the top ten, would you recognize that as relevant?




"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#100 - 2012-06-11 13:29:38 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:

Every alliance in EVE has one time zone they are far more active in. A big part of sov warfare is ensuring timers are as inconvenient as possible (or convenient, if the goal is fights and not conquering space) for your opponent.


And how do you measure the effectiveness of an Alliance?

I'll tell you how I do it. Let's take a look at Solar Fleet... 97 outposts held with 1432 members. That's 14 members per outpost... that's darn effective. Compare that to Solar Citizens...23 outposts, 4568 members. That's 198 members per outpost. Big difference. Still, both are around the top 10 alliances.

If I find a Spanish Speaking corp or alliance that has a similar members/outpost ratio as the one in the top ten, would you recognize that as relevant?







There are so many more factors than just people and outposts. In fact too many outposts is a very bad thing. Quality of space, infrastructure present, member activity, war history, organization of alliance-level events, out-of-game organization, espionage, etc are all relevant to an alliance's effectiveness. You can own tons of space and be pretty damn irrelevant if its worthless space and you never do anything.