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Natsett Amuinn
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#81 - 2012-06-10 16:28:53 UTC
[quote=Disregard That[Actually dude I've got a beast of a PC and am one of the few who could, if I were interested in it, probably play WiS content multiplayer.

LOL WiS content.

Specs: 3GHz Core i7 overclocked to 3.2, 2x GTX285 1.5gb apiece, 12gb ram, 256gb solid state primary drive, 4 secondary drives configured in a RAID 10 for speed and parity.

She's fast enough for you, old man.[/quote]
So you can't run CQ with your PC? I can. Sucks to be you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#82 - 2012-06-10 16:32:36 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Actually dude I've got a beast of a PC and am one of the few who could, if I were interested in it, probably play WiS content multiplayer.
So you can't run CQ with your PC?
This whole “reading” thing isn't for you, huh?
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-06-10 16:33:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Actually dude I've got a beast of a PC and am one of the few who could, if I were interested in it, probably play WiS content multiplayer.
So you can't run CQ with your PC?
This whole “reading” thing isn't for you, huh?

Not only that, but man can that dude quote. I bet his computer goes too fast to be bothered to accept the appropriate inputs.
Natsett Amuinn
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#84 - 2012-06-10 16:36:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Will you please do me a favor.

Think about that rationally for a second. Please.
Ok.

The fact that you cannot lose the stuff you wear makes it different from everything else in EVE and makes it fundamentally different from PLEX (especially since PLEX are economy neutral). No other item in EVE has this kind of protection.

NeX items are nothing like PLEX.


Don't you use PLEX to get AUR to purchase from the NeX.

People seem to be overlooking this.


It's no different from selling PLEX on the market. Someone spend real world currency on a game item that they're selling to other individuals. Whether that item is the PLEX directly or a shirt from the NeX, it's all derived from the exact same thing.

It's no different from selling PLEX, but you don't have a problem with that, I take it?

You guys are only complaining about the NeX because it's clearly set up like a MT shop. PLEX on the other hand, even though it's still RMT, doesn't get any complaints because it's not done in the same shop setup.

I'm sorry, but there is no logical reason to have any problem with the NeX, as long as they never sell anything that is gameplay altering. You shouldn't be buying ammo or ships that didn't at least first require you to purchase ammo or ships from a player.

And you don't lose the clothing you picked in the character creator, that's irrelevant. If they did make it possible to lose the NeX clothing then they'd pretty much guarantee that when WiS comes, no one would buy clothing off the NeX.


Putting a NeX item on the market is the exact same thing as putting a PLEX on the market. You just converted PLEX into another digital goods instead of it being gametime.
Natsett Amuinn
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#85 - 2012-06-10 16:38:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Actually dude I've got a beast of a PC and am one of the few who could, if I were interested in it, probably play WiS content multiplayer.
So you can't run CQ with your PC?
This whole “reading” thing isn't for you, huh?


Did he not make a post implying that no one would be able to run WiS? Yes, he did.
Then goes on to talk about the beast of a pc he has? Yes, he did.

So what the **** is complaining about?
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-06-10 16:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Actually dude I've got a beast of a PC and am one of the few who could, if I were interested in it, probably play WiS content multiplayer.
So you can't run CQ with your PC?
This whole “reading” thing isn't for you, huh?


Did he not make a post implying that no one would be able to run WiS? Yes, he did.
Then goes on to talk about the beast of a pc he has? Yes, he did.

So what the **** is complaining about?

Actually, I said it was currently a computational nightmare.

Where did I say nobody could run it?

Edit: Ooops, I should have known better. Our hero's computer is too fast for proper quoting...Roll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#87 - 2012-06-10 16:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Don't you use PLEX to get AUR to purchase from the NeX.
That doesn't particularly change the fact that NeX items are fundamentally different from PLEX.

Quote:
It's no different from selling PLEX on the market.
Yes it is, because doing so doesn't add anything to the economy (ok, PLEX aren't entirely neutral since the taxes sink a bit of ISK), but the PLEX itself just passes straight through. At one end, it enters as a result of a cash injection, at the other end it exists as game time. It is no different than any other subscription method: $$$→Game time. NeX items have no such exit.

Quote:
You guys are only complaining about the NeX because it's clearly set up like a MT shop. PLEX on the other hand, even though it's still RMT, doesn't get any complaints because it's not done in the same reaction.
No. The problem is that NeX items add to the economy — items that are particularly difficult to get rid of — whereas PLEX pass straight through.

Quote:
And you don't lose the clothing you picked in the character creator
You mean those things that never exist in the economy to begin with? Yes, they are irrelevant. NeX items are not, because they're not the same thing.

Quote:
Did he not make a post implying that no one would be able to run WiS?
No. He said that he would be able to run it. Somehow, you managed to read this as him not being able to run it. That's some pretty strange reading there…
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-06-10 16:44:03 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Actually dude I've got a beast of a PC and am one of the few who could, if I were interested in it, probably play WiS content multiplayer.
So you can't run CQ with your PC?
This whole “reading” thing isn't for you, huh?


Did he not make a post implying that no one would be able to run WiS? Yes, he did.
Then goes on to talk about the beast of a pc he has? Yes, he did.

So what the **** is complaining about?

Actually, I said it was currently a computational nightmare.

Where did I say nobody could run it?


"I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry."

Then next time you want to get cute about someone elses ability to read, I'd ask you to refer to your own posts, genius.

And maybe go look up the word, imply.
Widow Cain
#89 - 2012-06-10 16:47:00 UTC
Lady Bloodsucker wrote:
It has been a very long time since I have seen any new stuff on the Nobel Exchange. Is it completely dead. Is there any news about the Nobel Exchange or ?. On the market I see a lot of different clothing in many different colours. When is all this apparel going so be available.

Roll


They are still adding stuff in spit of the children who are pouting because their mommy won't buy them a monocle.

The only reason you have not seen anything recently is the stuff the artists did in the past few months got used as Fanfest perks.

For example the white blouse.

OMG You are sooo pixel macho...
Widow Cain
#90 - 2012-06-10 16:49:46 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Will you please do me a favor.

Think about that rationally for a second. Please.
Ok.

The fact that you cannot lose the stuff you wear makes it different from everything else in EVE and makes it fundamentally different from PLEX (especially since PLEX are economy neutral). No other item in EVE has this kind of protection.

NeX items are nothing like PLEX.


Don't you use PLEX to get AUR to purchase from the NeX.

People seem to be overlooking this.


It's no different from selling PLEX on the market. Someone spend real world currency on a game item that they're selling to other individuals. Whether that item is the PLEX directly or a shirt from the NeX, it's all derived from the exact same thing.

It's no different from selling PLEX, but you don't have a problem with that, I take it?

You guys are only complaining about the NeX because it's clearly set up like a MT shop. PLEX on the other hand, even though it's still RMT, doesn't get any complaints because it's not done in the same shop setup.

I'm sorry, but there is no logical reason to have any problem with the NeX, as long as they never sell anything that is gameplay altering. You shouldn't be buying ammo or ships that didn't at least first require you to purchase ammo or ships from a player.

And you don't lose the clothing you picked in the character creator, that's irrelevant. If they did make it possible to lose the NeX clothing then they'd pretty much guarantee that when WiS comes, no one would buy clothing off the NeX.


Putting a NeX item on the market is the exact same thing as putting a PLEX on the market. You just converted PLEX into another digital goods instead of it being gametime.


You are wrong, the logical reason to be mad at NeX is that the monolce is more than mommy will spring for. You can't assume everyone is a rational adult.

OMG You are sooo pixel macho...
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#91 - 2012-06-10 16:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
"I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry."

Then next time you want to get cute about someone elses ability to read, I'd ask you to refer to your own posts, genius.

And maybe go look up the word, imply.

I did not imply anything bro. I stated quite plainly that they would mostly fry.

Most means not all.

Not all means not all.

There was never any implication of 'all.'

If Boat takes us out on a fleet and everybody dies but a few people, did Boat wipe the whole fleet?

Think about it.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-06-10 16:50:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:


Did he not make a post implying that no one would be able to run WiS?
No. He said that he would be able to run it. Somehow, you managed to read this as him not being able to run it. That's some pretty strange reading there…[/quote]

I thnk my advice to other guy is also fitting to you as well.

Reread what was being said.

He implied that most people won't be able to run WiS. I only asked IF HE was having trouble running CQ. If you can run CQ, odds are you'll be able to run WiS.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2012-06-10 16:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
Can you demonstrate that metric for Jita IV-4, where you might encounter, say, 250 times the load that you experience currently in CQ?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-06-10 16:53:47 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
"I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry."

Then next time you want to get cute about someone elses ability to read, I'd ask you to refer to your own posts, genius.

And maybe go look up the word, imply.

I did not imply anything bro. I stated quite plainly that they would probably mostly fry.

Most means not all.

Not all means not all.

There was never any implication of 'all.'

If Boat takes us out on a fleet and everybody dies but a few people, did Boat wipe the whole fleet?

Think about it.


Ok.

Disregard That wrote:
I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry."

That is so totally not an implication that you think that most people won't be able to run WiS. You're so totally right, dude.
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#95 - 2012-06-10 16:54:31 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
It's no different from selling PLEX on the market. Someone spend real world currency on a game item that they're selling to other individuals. Whether that item is the PLEX directly or a shirt from the NeX, it's all derived from the exact same thing.

Care to explain then why the NeX Store even exists at all if there is no difference?

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-06-10 16:55:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
"I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry."

Then next time you want to get cute about someone elses ability to read, I'd ask you to refer to your own posts, genius.

And maybe go look up the word, imply.

I did not imply anything bro. I stated quite plainly that they would probably mostly fry.

Most means not all.

Not all means not all.

There was never any implication of 'all.'

If Boat takes us out on a fleet and everybody dies but a few people, did Boat wipe the whole fleet?

Think about it.


Ok.

Disregard That wrote:
I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry."

That is so totally not an implication that you think that most people won't be able to run WiS. You're so totally right, dude.

You didn't say most, did you?

EDIT: Also, to address what I was "complaining" about...

...wasted development time because most people don't own my PC.

Thanks.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#97 - 2012-06-10 16:57:48 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I thnk my advice to other guy is also fitting to you as well.
I think the other guy's advice to you is fitting: learn to quote.

Quote:
Reread what was being said.
Ok:

“Actually dude I've got a beast of a PC and am one of the few who could, if I were interested in it, probably play WiS content multiplayer.”

He was saying that he would have no trouble running WiS (much less CQ). From this you concluded

“So you can't run CQ with your PC?”

What he said is that being able to run CQ is not a good indication of whether or not you'll be able to run full WiS, since it doesn't scale well (and he was kind enough to left unsaid that CQ itself already has come very close to frying graphics cards and processors).
Widow Cain
#98 - 2012-06-10 16:57:53 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
It's no different from selling PLEX on the market. Someone spend real world currency on a game item that they're selling to other individuals. Whether that item is the PLEX directly or a shirt from the NeX, it's all derived from the exact same thing.

Care to explain then why the NeX Store even exists at all if there is no difference?


Are you serious, you don't get it, or are you being retorical?

OMG You are sooo pixel macho...
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-06-10 17:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
It's no different from selling PLEX on the market. Someone spend real world currency on a game item that they're selling to other individuals. Whether that item is the PLEX directly or a shirt from the NeX, it's all derived from the exact same thing.

Care to explain then why the NeX Store even exists at all if there is no difference?


I can only say that PLEX should be purchased through the NeX, and that having it seperated in the way that they do leads to a lot of confusion and the impression that one is different from the other, when they're not.

Whether the PLEX is purchaed to add gametime or to purchase a shirt, it all starts from the same point. Someone spent money to purchase PLEX. To complain how that PLEX is used is silly. A shirt doesn't effect anyone, any more then someone who used the plex to add a month to their EVE subscription.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that there are people bitching about the NeX who sell PLEX that someone else used to buy **** off the NeX. Don't see anyone bitching about thier PLEX being used to buy a ******* shirt though.
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#100 - 2012-06-10 17:06:11 UTC
Widow Cain wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
It's no different from selling PLEX on the market. Someone spend real world currency on a game item that they're selling to other individuals. Whether that item is the PLEX directly or a shirt from the NeX, it's all derived from the exact same thing.

Care to explain then why the NeX Store even exists at all if there is no difference?


Are you serious, you don't get it, or are you being retorical?

Oh don't worry, I 'get' the NeX Store more than you could possibly imagine.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.